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ZFarrar
Fourth Love
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 Posted - 05/10/2011 : 20:35:29
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Lemonade Kid
Great job in bringing to light some of Frank Zappa's background and stories. I don't honestly think there is much interest here from some of the Love fans. I was going to discuss Frank's Antelope Valley band "The Soul Giants", but all of this is easily obtained in any number of books on Frank. There are some hilarious stories of he and Captain Beefheart borrowing (Don's father) his Helms Bakery Truck in Lancaster, cruising for chicks and eating pineapple rolls. The funny thing is Frank's description of the Maryland Hotel is a place that 10-15 years later I discovered, it was called Arcade Music. with 45 priced at 3 for a buck, albums were 50 cents to 1.99. Besides the juke box records, radio station promo copies were massive. It was there that I discovered that strange 45 with the Herb Alpert trumpet on an Elektra promo 45, later I also purchased Forever Changes there
Meanwhile I spent some time in Lancaster CA years ago, in a small coffee shop at the Antelope Valley Inn I met a friend of mine who had just spent some time with John French (Drumbo) from Beef's Magic Band. He had some great stories about Don and Frank, suddenly an waitress approached us, she was maybe 60 and very much a grand mother type). She had overheard us talking about Frank, she recounted that she and Frank had dated in high school, and some of his early music. She was still upset over his passing (which had happened the year before). What I was amazed by is she told me she had a huge collection of his albums. |
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waxburn
Old Love
USA
735 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2011 : 22:08:33
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Originally posted by rocker
You know I'd be curious as to how his contemporaries reacted to him. Was he held in good stead? I always thought he had idea which weren't mainstream even for the "rock" world at the time. He was certainly different in his approach to music.
Most are scared to talk about him due to the situation with the estate. |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
USA
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Posted - 05/10/2011 : 22:25:51
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Originally posted by ZFarrar
Lemonade Kid
Great job in bringing to light some of Frank Zappa's background and stories. I don't honestly think there is much interest here from some of the Love fans. I was going to discuss Frank's Antelope Valley band "The Soul Giants", but all of this is easily obtained in any number of books on Frank. There are some hilarious stories of he and Captain Beefheart borrowing (Don's father) his Helms Bakery Truck in Lancaster, cruising for chicks and eating pineapple rolls. The funny thing is Frank's description of the Maryland Hotel is a place that 10-15 years later I discovered, it was called Arcade Music. with 45 priced at 3 for a buck, albums were 50 cents to 1.99. Besides the juke box records, radio station promo copies were massive. It was there that I discovered that strange 45 with the Herb Alpert trumpet on an Elektra promo 45, later I also purchased Forever Changes there
Meanwhile I spent some time in Lancaster CA years ago, in a small coffee shop at the Antelope Valley Inn I met a friend of mine who had just spent some time with John French (Drumbo) from Beef's Magic Band. He had some great stories about Don and Frank, suddenly an waitress approached us, she was maybe 60 and very much a grand mother type). She had overheard us talking about Frank, she recounted that she and Frank had dated in high school, and some of his early music. She was still upset over his passing (which had happened the year before). What I was amazed by is she told me she had a huge collection of his albums.
No..keep the stories coming. There are actually many Zappa fans here...they are just not as vocal as some of us....pro & con.
But that's ok. So keep the Zappa stuff coming, please. There are more closet Zappa fans EVERYWHERE than we realize!! Especially in the Boomer generation that are approaching retirement. I wonder how many of those gray haired joggers or golfers have "Freak Out!" playing in their earbuds?! More than some would like to imagine at their safe little posh golf resorts!
I was listening to some Steely Dan and I swear I hear Zappa in some of those jazz arrangements with all those abrupt time signature changes!
Your Gold Teeth...especially in the intro with unusual time sigs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3BjjpZedl8
Green Earring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Z4HSer4uw
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Joe Morris
Old Love
3491 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2011 : 22:34:06
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rocker
Old Love
USA
3606 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2011 : 14:12:49
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Most are scared to talk about him due to the situation with the estate.
I didn't know about that. Not too good I'd think, eh? |
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waxburn
Old Love
USA
735 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2011 : 16:12:25
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Originally posted by rocker
Most are scared to talk about him due to the situation with the estate.
I didn't know about that. Not too good I'd think, eh?
Steely Dan does have a bit of a Zappa flavor or maybe Zappa was influenced by Steely Dan.
I would go with the latter but i could be wrong, their studio sound back in the 80s was very influential.
interesting because i know this band that started being an indie band, they were doing reasonably well, then they started listening to
Zappa and copping his stuff for their songs. People said they sounded like Steely Dan.
Irregardless as soon as they started doing the Zappa influenced material they began losing gigs. Soon they couldnt get arrested. They dont exist anymore.
Zappa i suppose, is sort of the Shecky Greene of music. If you like that sort of thing. |
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waxburn
Old Love
USA
735 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2011 : 16:20:16
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Originally posted by rocker
Most are scared to talk about him due to the situation with the estate.
I didn't know about that. Not too good I'd think, eh?
no not so good, from what i understand they want no competition against Zappa plays Zappa. never seen them and doubt i ever will.  |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
USA
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 18:44:32
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Originally posted by waxburn
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Originally posted by rocker
Most are scared to talk about him due to the situation with the estate.
I didn't know about that. Not too good I'd think, eh?
Steely Dan does have a bit of a Zappa flavor or maybe Zappa was influenced by Steely Dan.
I would go with the latter but i could be wrong, their studio sound back in the 80s was very influential.
interesting because i know this band that started being an indie band, they were doing reasonably well, then they started listening to
Zappa and copping his stuff for their songs. People said they sounded like Steely Dan.
Irregardless as soon as they started doing the Zappa influenced material they began losing gigs. Soon they couldnt get arrested. They dont exist anymore.
Zappa I suppose, is sort of the Shecky Greene of music. If you like that sort of thing.
Zappa and Steely Dan were on a parallel, but staggered path (Zappa started ten years earlier-Zappa was a forties kid, Becker and Fagen 1950's kids), both very influenced by jazz artists such as Miles Davis, Thelonious Monk, Sonny Rollins, with pop influences like the Turtles and Lovin' Spoonful, Dylan....I doubt Zappa was influenced directly by "Dan" as they didn't get going until the early 70's and Zappa was moving through his music at a fast pace in the early 60's.
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waxburn
Old Love
USA
735 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2011 : 19:42:50
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Originally posted by lemonade kid
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Originally posted by waxburn
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Originally posted by rocker
Most are scared to talk about him due to the situation with the estate.
I didn't know about that. Not too good I'd think, eh?
Steely Dan does have a bit of a Zappa flavor or maybe Zappa was influenced by Steely Dan.
I would go with the latter but i could be wrong, their studio sound back in the 80s was very influential.
interesting because i know this band that started being an indie band, they were doing reasonably well, then they started listening to
Zappa and copping his stuff for their songs. People said they sounded like Steely Dan.
Irregardless as soon as they started doing the Zappa influenced material they began losing gigs. Soon they couldnt get arrested. They dont exist anymore.
Zappa I suppose, is sort of the Shecky Greene of music. If you like that sort of thing.
Zappa and Steely Dan were on a parallel, but staggered path (Zappa started ten years earlier-Zappa was a forties kid, Becker and Fagen 1950's kids), both very influenced by jazz artists such as Miles Davis, Thelonious Monk, Sonny Rollins, with pop influences like the Turtles and Lovin' Spoonful, Dylan....I doubt Zappa was influenced directly by "Dan" as they didn't get going until the early 70's and Zappa was moving through his music at a fast pace in the early 60's.
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Don't you know there ain't no devil,
There's just god when he's drunk.
-Tom Waits
the Zappa stuff that sounds eerily like the Dan is the apres 1960s stuff, i dont think his 60s stuff showed the Dan influence. My memory may be off as im not the biggest Dan fan. i like that Cuervo Gold song tho. they are a bit too cold, for my taste.
I also am not a regular listener of Zappas 60s work.
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Joe Morris
Old Love
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Posted - 07/10/2011 : 15:27:56
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| hows Zappas early films, the ones he got arrested for? |
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LoVE name checked 3 times in Zappa '67 interview
