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Joe Morris
Old Love
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 Posted - 18/01/2011 : 00:36:36
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yeah, don't expect too much from the Rhino release - the best songs on it are actually covers! (with a decent songwriter like Arthur Lee this is indeed a troubling sign)
and one could wish for a stylus size scratch going across the version of "Seven and Seven Is"
which is ... YIKES!
Didn't Arthur write "My Anthem" in five minutes after a Mojo interview? Probably his worst song; theres no melody to speak of!
just listening to the 3 2cd volumes of the Beatles Anthology Outtakes boots - good stuff. One and One is Two - good original Paul! |
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gatemouthmoore
Fourth Love
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Posted - 18/01/2011 : 02:40:51
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Joe Morris
Old Love
3491 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2011 : 15:34:58
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well theres "Nice to be" , the retread of "Seven and Seven is" with synthesizers, the wretched "Beep beep", "Talking in my sleep"
and (of course) "Revelation" - all 18 minutes 20 seconds of that track (in mono OR in stereo!)
Appalling that they used up a whole album side with that garbage! |
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Joe Morris
Old Love
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Posted - 18/01/2011 : 15:36:07
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| not "Nice to be" - meant another track ! |
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gatemouthmoore
Fourth Love
202 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2011 : 22:45:27
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Opinionated, aren't you Joe.... I mostly agree with you, accept for Revelation. Get past the jerky cuts, and listen to the music. It's there, you just have to move past your long held distaste, and hear it  |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
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Posted - 18/01/2011 : 23:59:02
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Originally posted by gatemouthmoore
Opinionated, aren't you Joe.... I mostly agree with you, accept for Revelation. Get past the jerky cuts, and listen to the music. It's there, you just have to move past your long held distaste, and hear it
Agreed, gatemouth....Revelation is an historical piece in the epicenter of the Love Catalog and a show stopper. We are lucky to have this!
Hasn't anyone realized that without Da Capo we would have no document of this track that Johnny says was so popular that LoVE could play on for a whole set, with the audience going wild throughout. Whether we call it "John Lee Hooker" or "Revelation", without it we would be crying for just one recording of it, no matter how poor the audience recording! Revel in Revelation....give LoVE a chance.
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Joe Morris
Old Love
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Posted - 19/01/2011 : 00:35:08
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its unlistenable
can't imagine most Love fans have listened to it for a while. Really arrogant of a band just to plunk down a jam in E minor (for close to 20 minutes) as an album side
Didn't even happen on Out Here with all those rubbish 10 minute guitar solos (Love is more than words) and rubbish drum solos (Doggone)
You can see why Holzman gave those tracks a pass |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
USA
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Posted - 19/01/2011 : 00:40:20
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Taking up a whole side was not arrogant. It was brave. It had
been a tremendous success but should have gone on vinyl LIVE and uncut. COuld have been better, but I LoVE it.
The Stones were so impressed hearing it at Brave New world, they did
a long blues number themselves on their album.
Ok...so you are unable to give it a chance; you are rigid.
I listen to from time to time...every few months.
Does that make me NOT a LoVE fan?
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gatemouthmoore
Fourth Love
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Posted - 19/01/2011 : 02:30:41
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| Joe, get off your "low horse" and give the jam a chance, without "John Lee Hooker," aka Revelation, there most likely would not have been a group called Love. That's how important this one song was, in the early success of the group. Folks came from all over just to hear them play it! |
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John9
Old Love
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Posted - 19/01/2011 : 10:53:57
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Revelation is an exciting and visionary piece. It should be reserved for special occasions.....just like a fine wine. And recently I've listened once again to the unedited versions of Doggone and Love Is More Than Words...and I'm really glad I did. Exceptionally strong melodies both that are enhanced by the instrumental passages.  |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
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Posted - 19/01/2011 : 17:05:49
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Originally posted by John9
Revelation is an exciting and visionary piece. It should be reserved for special occasions.....just like a fine wine. And recently I've listened once again to the unedited versions of Doggone and Love Is More Than Words...and I'm really glad I did. Exceptionally strong melodies both that are enhanced by the instrumental passages.
Yep, as a drummer I always enjoy a good jam.
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Joe Morris
Old Love
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Posted - 20/01/2011 : 01:24:14
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| good luck listening to all of it - I'll take the edited "Doggone" on Studio/Live. Its a great song |
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waxburn
Old Love
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Posted - 20/01/2011 : 05:51:37
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Originally posted by Dukie
I saw Arthur do this song a few times on the UK FC tour in 2003, but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece (my son liked it but he was only 7 at the time!!)
i thought it was pretty good, i wouldnt mind a studio version.
as for Black Beauty why not release and let the fans listen if they so wish? the first 3 records have been released and rerelease ad nausea um, release all. |
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Joe Morris
Old Love
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Posted - 20/01/2011 : 16:16:23
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Back to Revelation - the reason the band cut one side of an album was NOT brave I think. I think it was because they were upset with Elektra
Did the band ever do the track live after Arthur got out of jail? and did Echols sing it?
Christ I hope they shortened it, otherwise people would be just taking off to the bar!
Can you imagine how a 20 minute live Revelation would be received? everyone was there to see the Forever Changes tracks being played live for the first time in ages!
Its why I saw them in NYC and in Brooklyn, and by Brooklyn there was even an orchestra to play Forever Changes! |
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ThomasGalasso
Old Love
USA
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Posted - 23/01/2011 : 23:21:01
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Why release Black Beauty? Wow such a silly question in my estimation.
I would say release it because its a really solid solo album from Arthur Lee that was never given a proper release, its a document that actually ages well and a cleaned up copy of those 10 or 11 songs would be a welcomed addition to the canon of what is already out there.
There is no Johnny Echols on the album, the hodge podge that everyone seems to be talking about is just a bunch of random tracks thrown together with the actual Black Beauty album, which by the way never came out because Michael Butler decided he didn't care to go forward with his new Buffalo record label.
Arthur and company had already been paid and by 1973 Arthur wasn't the same artist he was say....in 1967 or so. It got a positive review in Billboard during 1973 which is ironic considering Vindicator was panned and Black Beauty never saw an official release.
As for the original artwork the proposed artwork according to Robert Rozelle was a painting of a nude black woman, and Arthur later decided to not go that route due to not wanting to offend black women. The painting was given to Robert, who was at some point evicted from an apartment in the 70s, and the painting was set out on the street, and he never found it to be that big of a priority at that time.
All of those random songs are simply recordings from all eras. I don't see why anyone would assume that would be a part of a Black Beauty album since, they are not from those sessions.
Personally I applaud Diane for getting the music out there, and it should be spread around, people need to make peace with the fact that the original Love only put out three albums, it was over 40 years ago. The dudes that played on Black Beauty are a part of the Love canon and should be recognized.
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re Black Beauty release in April
