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waxburn
Old Love
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 Posted - 30/11/2010 : 01:00:25
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Originally posted by lemonade kid
Now that's just silly.
If you signed a royalty contract, you get royalties. If you signed a contract that paid outright for a job/gig. you got paid and you are done. Never depend on a band mate  or friend to get the royalties, fees or whatever to you...NEVER. Royalties are, & should be, paid for as long as an album (book etc) is out there, reissued or whatever, and sells.
Sessions guys don't get royalties, but the best are highly paid, and don't have to worry about whether an album sells. They already got the money.
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We need Hippies, now, more than ever...
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We have to make sure we save up some points, the Baby Lemonade book
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A work for hire, no royalties involved.
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TJSAbass
Fourth Love
USA
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Posted - 30/11/2010 : 06:11:54
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I want royalties for starting this thread! And I thank all of you who contributed for free!  |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
USA
9873 Posts |
Posted - 30/11/2010 : 08:03:51
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Originally posted by TJSAbass
I want royalties for starting this thread! And I thank all of you who contributed for free!
This has turned into the champion thread of the month!!! Good one, TJ.....
Letting your freak flag fly is a state of mind,
not a fashion statement.
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Joe Morris
Old Love
3491 Posts |
Posted - 30/11/2010 : 17:58:56
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| I AM glad that Bryans mom gets money from Bryans songs these days. All this time I doubt if Bryan saw much money from people covering his songs, or even from his songs in the Love catalog |
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gatemouthmoore
Fourth Love
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Posted - 01/12/2010 : 00:13:45
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| Joe, Bryan had owned Breadcrust Music Publishing BMI, for many years before he died. The Co. secured his song writing, and publishing rights. He stated many times to Arthur's chagrin, that he had recieved royalties, in excess of $250,000 for Alone Again or. I would think his Mom is doing just fine. |
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waxburn
Old Love
USA
735 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2010 : 00:41:44
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Originally posted by gatemouthmoore
Joe, Bryan had owned Breadcrust Music Publishing BMI, for many years before he died. The Co. secured his song writing, and publishing rights. He stated many times to Arthur's chagrin, that he had recieved royalties, in excess of $250,000 for Alone Again or. I would think his Mom is doing just fine.
Did he split the proceeds with his band of brothers? |
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gatemouthmoore
Fourth Love
202 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2010 : 02:05:20
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Publishing is different from mechanicals. The only money they had coming, was from the Miller Beer Commercials, which featured them playing. If one doesn't demand their money, even from friends, [they're] not likely to offer. How often does someone walk up to you, and say "Hey Dude I owe you some money!" But to answer your question...No!!
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waxburn
Old Love
USA
735 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2010 : 02:37:34
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Originally posted by gatemouthmoore
Publishing is different from mechanicals. The only money they had coming, was from the Miller Beer Commercials, which featured them playing. If one doesn't demand their money, even from friends, [they're] not likely to offer. How often does someone walk up to you, and say "Hey Dude I owe you some money!" But to answer your question...No!!
GMM
Yes publishing is different than mechanicals this we know to be true, sort of. Im sure he got his mechanicals too.
The TV royalties are synch royos.
Demand what from whom? The album says B.McClean writer. If i were to play the guitar on a friends track and he pays me 100 dollars, and i sign off on it, does he owe me anything? |
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Joe Morris
Old Love
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Posted - 01/12/2010 : 02:39:36
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Love played in a beer commercial?
how?!
Bryan set up his own publishing starting with the 3rd album?
If Elektra didn't own Love's publishing, I can understand Bryan not being obligated to get statements and the like from Jac Holzman
But how is it that Bryans mom had to sue to get her sons Love songs?
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waxburn
Old Love
USA
735 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2010 : 02:41:18
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Originally posted by Joe Morris
Love played in a beer commercial?
how?!
Bryan set up his own publishing starting with the 3rd album?
If Elektra didn't own Love's publishing, I can understand Bryan not being obligated to get statements and the like from Jac Holzman
But how is it that Bryans mom had to sue to get her sons Love songs?
Probably because Arthur controlled the administration. Just a guess. |
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Joe Morris
Old Love
3491 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2010 : 04:11:55
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| didn't ASCAP or someone take possession of all the Love songs, including Bryans? |
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gatemouthmoore
Fourth Love
202 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2010 : 04:34:49
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Originally posted by waxburn
quote:
Originally posted by gatemouthmoore
Publishing is different from mechanicals. The only money they had coming, was from the Miller Beer Commercials, which featured them playing. If one doesn't demand their money, even from friends, [they're] not likely to offer. How often does someone walk up to you, and say "Hey Dude I owe you some money!" But to answer your question...No!!
GMM
Yes publishing is different than mechanicals this we know to be true, sort of. Im sure he got his mechanicals too.
The TV royalties are synch royos.
Demand what from whom? The album says B.McClean writer. If i were to play the guitar on a friends track and he pays me 100 dollars, and i sign off on it, does he owe me anything?
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It is not a question of playing on a friends record. Johnny, Arthur, Kenny and Bryan were signed to contracts with Elektra Records, and entitled to be paid Mechanical, and or Performance Royalties, for any, and all songs they played on,[FOREVER.] In addition to the session money, paid through the Musicians Union. The only payments they would receive directly from a Record Co. are Performance Related...Mechanicals.
Publishing (and Song Writer Royalties) are totally seperate, and distinct from a Record Co. And are Governed by the rules setforth by the United States Copyright Office. And unless you borrow against them, those royalties must be paid,(in full) even if the record never recovered its costs. Suppose a group only did covers, They may be dealing with ten different Publishing Company's or copright owners. With absolutely no connection to the Record Co. [Period.]
Why do you think Ringo Starr, is so wealthy? Or non song writing members of most other successful groups. They get paid for what they played, (in perpetuity,) as long as their work, is being sold. Otherwise only songwriters would make any money.
They are also paid performance royalties, for radio or television airplay, through BMI, ASCAP, HARRY FOX, and the myriad other record keeping organizations. That is the purpose of being under contract, otherwise they would hire studio musicians, and pay them once. Band members sign with Record Company's TOO GET PAID...!!!
GMM
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waxburn
Old Love
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Posted - 01/12/2010 : 04:58:48
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Originally posted by Joe Morris
didn't ASCAP or someone take possession of all the Love songs, including Bryans?
ASCAP/BMI collects and pay out performance royalties. Radio play mostly but also live performance. For example if you have a club that plays live music you usually have to buy a license from BMI or ASCAP etc.
TV and movies and that sorta thing is separate, those are the synch rights. |
Edited by - waxburn on 01/12/2010 05:14:00 |
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waxburn
Old Love
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735 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2010 : 05:28:15
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Originally posted by waxburn
quote:
Originally posted by waxburn
[quote]Originally posted by gatemouthmoore
[quote]Originally posted by waxburn
[quote]Originally posted by gatemouthmoore
Publishing is different from mechanicals. The only money they had coming, was from the Miller Beer Commercials, which featured them playing. If one doesn't demand their money, even from friends, [they're] not likely to offer. How often does someone walk up to you, and say "Hey Dude I owe you some money!" But to answer your question...No!!
GMM
Yes publishing is different than mechanicals this we know to be true, sort of. Im sure he got his mechanicals too.
The TV royalties are synch royos.
Demand what from whom? The album says B.McClean writer. If i were to play the guitar on a friends track and he pays me 100 dollars, and i sign off on it, does he owe me anything?
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It is not a question of playing on a friends record. Johnny, Arthur, Kenny and Bryan were signed to contracts with Elektra Records, and entitled to be paid Mechanical, and or Performance Royalties, for any, and all songs they played on,[FOREVER.] In addition to the session money, paid through the Musicians Union. The only payments they would receive directly from a Record Co. are Performance Related...Mechanicals.
Publishing (and Song Writer Royalties) are totally seperate, and distinct from a Record Co. And are Governed by the rules setforth by the United States Copyright Office. And unless you borrow against them, those royalties must be paid,(in full) even if the record never recovered its costs. Suppose a group only did covers, They may be dealing with ten different Publishing Company's or copright owners. With absolutely no connection to the Record Co. [Period.]
Why do you think Ringo Starr, is so wealthy? Or non song writing members of most other successful groups. They get paid for what they played, (in perpetuity,) as long as their work, is being sold. Otherwise only songwriters would make any money.
They are also paid performance royalties, for radio or television airplay, through BMI, ASCAP, HARRY FOX, and the myriad other record keeping organizations. That is the purpose of being under contract, otherwise they would hire studio musicians, and pay them once. Band members sign with Record Company's TOO GET PAID...!!!
GMM
Mechanicals go to the songwriter and or publisher, not the band. Record royalties go the the band members as set forth in the signed contracts. Harry Fox Agency deals with mechanicals. If you are not the writer you do not get mechanicals or performance(BMI/ASCAP). If a record is only covers unless you get a cut of the publishing from the songwriter you get only record royalties as set forth in the record contract. Thats why back in the day they had song pluggers, performers usually did not write the songs it was selected for them. They received no publishing unless they demanded a cut from the publisher(Elvis).
Ringo gets record royalties from all the Beatle records he played on plus mechanicals and perfromance royalties from the songs he WROTE. hes rich because
the Beatles sell a lotta records.
Band members that sign with a record co are NOT guaranteed any money, unless the record makes back its costs and deductions. Record companies are pretty good in coming up with those. They are given ADVANCES that are recoupable, that is will be deducted from future royalties.
Some advnces are not recoupabe, but you have to be an established seller to get those. |
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Joe Morris
Old Love
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Posted - 01/12/2010 : 18:55:53
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| kinda shot Elvis in the foot cos he was only getting poor songwriters that would give him a cut of the songwriting! |
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