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Joe Morris
Old Love
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 Posted - 24/01/2010 : 05:06:30
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maybe people are reading too much into the lyrics on the album?
a lot of Arthurs writing seems off the cuff:
In the morning we arise and start the day the same old way
As yesterday the day before and all in all its just a day like
All the rest so do your best with
Chewing gum & it is oh so repetitious
Waiting on the sun
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rocker
Old Love
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Posted - 25/01/2010 : 19:03:14
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| I always liked the lyrics and I think it provides the whole cryptic record with some mystery. Of course I don't understand everything so maybe that's part of its power to bring people into the songs and to delve into the words and meanings. I don't know if it's considered poetry but I thought Arthur's writing was very creative stuff. |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
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Posted - 25/01/2010 : 19:44:39
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As seemed to me from Love Story, Arthur wrote all his poetry with a wink and a nod. Any great poet/lyricist gives his art a bit of a mystery...Lee, Gene Clark, Dylan all left the meaning up to the listener. The meaning should always be left to the reader/listener.
Same for great painters..Picasso etc.
I agree with Holzman, it seems like stream of thought, but a lot of thought & work goes into making art seem loose. You must be disciplined first, to finally be free and loose.
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rocker
Old Love
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Posted - 25/01/2010 : 22:27:41
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| Yes! and Arthur sure must've eatin' some good vegetables when he put pen to paper for FC..and I'm just thinking are there no notes (on the lyrics) at all to see, no scribbles to see..sort of like what lennon did, you know?.. |
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Joe Morris
Old Love
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Posted - 25/01/2010 : 22:45:24
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Holzman said the rumor is that Arthur didn't take his lyrics all too seriously and didn't give them all too much thought
Though personally Mr H didn't personally ascribe to that theatre! |
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kdion11
Old Love
USA
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Posted - 26/01/2010 : 22:47:12
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Originally posted by Joe Morris
maybe people are reading too much into the lyrics on the album?
KD: Been having trouble finishing that 33 1/3 "Forever Changes"
mini book by Andrew Hultkrans (that wouldn't be a non de plume
for Sandoval would it ? )- waaaaayyyyyyy to serious for me and I'm
a serious reader of anything I can lay my hands on.
The majority of the book does nothing but compares the lyrics in Forever Changes to all these bibilical, philosophical and weighty high brow literary references from start to finish. It just makes me laugh. Does anyone (especially the author) really think that Arthur had a PHD in English Literature, or had a 5,000 book volume library wing in his house ?
Check out some of the comparisons: Just to name a few -
Virginia Woolf
The Complete works of Jan van Ruysbroeck
The selected works of Des Esseintes
Princeton University Professor Greil Marcus
Texts on Ancient Christian Gnosticism
The old and new Testaments of the Bible
and on and on and on and on and on....................
I gave up ! Not enough on the band, the scene that
created them or the album to keep my interest.
Free the books !
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Joe Morris
Old Love
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Posted - 27/01/2010 : 02:45:46
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I think Echols mentions in Love Story that the film they saw together (Caligula?) was an influence on one of Forever Changes, but other than that..
Yeah, your best bet with the 33 1/3 book is just to pawn it - get the Kinks book or something!
I'm reading the 33 1/3 book on Piper at the Gates of Dawn, which is a lot of fun
Syd ever jam with Hendrix backstage or anything, Keith? didn't they tour together late '67? |
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kdion11
Old Love
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Posted - 27/01/2010 : 19:27:41
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Originally posted by Joe Morris
I think Echols mentions in Love Story that the film they saw together (Caligula?) was an influence on one of Forever Changes, but other than that..
Yeah, your best bet with the 33 1/3 book is just to pawn it - get the Kinks book or something!
I'm reading the 33 1/3 book on Piper at the Gates of Dawn, which is a lot of fun
Syd ever jam with Hendrix backstage or anything, Keith? didn't they tour together late '67?
KD: Hey Joe. No, not that I am aware of. Pink Floyd (and Syd in particular) were not really the "jamming" types. Not in to long bluesy jams. Just taking lots of acid (again, just Syd) and wigging out.
They opened for the JHE on an Autumn 1967 UK Tour with The Move and
several others. This pretty much was the beginning of the end for
poor old Syd. My friend Noel told me that someone locked him in a
blacked out closet for hours on a major LSD trip. He was never the same again after that apparently.
Free the trips !
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Joe Morris
Old Love
3491 Posts |
Posted - 27/01/2010 : 22:03:50
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Love was an influence on early Floyd, certainly
"Revelation" less so - hopefully!
You gotta love Arthur dissing that track in Love Story. Echols talking about Bryan and why he wasn't allowed to contribute more songs to the group as they weren't right for the group, though he appreciated the sentiment
then Arthur's just talking about the track as how it was the worst thing the band ever did. Uproarious stuff!
how long do you think they took to rehearse "Revelation"? 5 minutes? ha! 
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rocker
Old Love
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Posted - 27/01/2010 : 22:21:45
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Hey KD...yes I can see your point. I guess i look at it a bit differently than you in that I don't mind all that stuff. Kind of enhances it for me. I don't know if all that's true or what or if you can even make the references but it's interesting in any case. Well it was true that Arthur can be considered a prophet! Great Elijah!!! He was talking about stuff that no one kind of paid attention to anyway. A voice in that lone California wilderness...well that's the way I see him.
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lemonade kid
Old Love
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Posted - 28/01/2010 : 00:42:45
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KD, rocker and Joe.....
KD-First, I like 33 1/3 on Love also. Not that Arthur read all that stuff, just that Arthur (& as some of those guys never read each other) had something more going on---on various levels...Arthur had some religious background and some philosophy and a lot of street smarts that added to his personal and unique point of view. Some which naturally seemed to got much deeper when you dig deeper!!
Joe-ya, Holzman felt a lot more thought, blood, sweat and tears went into the lyrics than some would have us believe.
rocker-A few "prophets" weren't big readers...Jesus and a few 
but they had something in them that hey had to get out to the masses.
And for Arthur'smessage, like others, only a few lucky ones hear that message!!
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Joe Morris
Old Love
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Posted - 28/01/2010 : 06:35:03
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"my bibles in the fireplace and my dog lies hypnotized"
truer words never spoken boy! |
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gatemouthmoore
Fourth Love
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Posted - 28/01/2010 : 07:49:52
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That's father's in the fireplace and my dog lies "hip-mo-tized"
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rocker
Old Love
USA
3606 Posts |
Posted - 28/01/2010 : 13:59:58
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| lk/kd....I'm not sure about Arthur's background but is it true he wasn't a "reader"? His lyrics off the cuff are simple at times but when he writes his words really dig deep (that's if anyone wants to go there!) As for 'street smarts', yeah he surely had that hands down!... |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
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Posted - 28/01/2010 : 14:41:05
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Ya, rocker...I love my books, but if you ain't got street smarts, you got nothin'.
I know a few book smart folks that just don't get the real world--
no street smarts. But Arthur was a very intelligent man...
man-child in the promised land?!
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Joe Morris
Old Love
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Posted - 28/01/2010 : 22:13:52
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A House is not a motel lyrics:
(Discuss. Give reasons for your answer!)
"At my house I've got no shackles
You can come and look if you want to
In the halls you'll see the mantles
Where the light shines dim all around you
And the streets are paved with gold and if
Someone asks you, you can call my name
You are just a thought that someone
Somewhere somehow feels you should be here
And it's so for real to touch
To smell, to feel, to know where you are here
And the streets are paved with gold and if
Someone asks you, you can call my name
You can call my name
I hear you calling my name yeah all right now
By the time that I'm through singing
The bells from the schools of walls will be ringing
More confusions, blood transfusions
The news today will be the movies for tomorrow
And the water's turned to blood, and if
You don't think so
Go turn on your tub
And it it's mixed with mud
You'll see it turn to gray
And you can call my name
I hear you call my name"
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