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Originally posted by rocker

You know lk maybe you should write a book on why the Beatles have had staying power as rather those Manchester guys "Freddie and the Dreamers!" Tuneful but just not enough legs to jump the time, right? The Beatles well at least for me encompass a varied approach to a musical world. Living in a seaport town like 'Pool had its advantages. They really took everything in and redid it in an "English" way. Their work embodied rock, country,blues,Brit dance hall,classical and other stuff. And I'd agree "She Loves You" was some tune when it first came out. Rock was moved up a notch and they did it again with Pepper and Revolver..."When I was a boy everything was right...everything was right". Lennon, was he a philosopher or what?

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Originally posted by lemonade kid

I think any band is a "product of their times". And luck. And talent. Those who didn't have the talent to sustain their promotion, faded away. For example...Dave Clark Five. They had the chance & luck to be the "Bealtes" famewise, but just could not sustain the creative output. Herman's Hermits were huge, but who plays that fluff anymore. You could say that each decade had it's "lucky bands". The Clash were just as lucky that the 70's was a decade of disillusionment & rejection of flower power...a kind of deconstructionism. The Clash don't get the play the Beatles do today (of course they never did). Bee Gees were lucky that the 80's were about materialism & disco. And so on. The Beatles endured all the changes, and Dylan, Love & a few others. The Beatles weren't lucky, totally. They didn't just fall into fame. They worked they asses of for years in dives, honing they craft, until people"got it". If they didn't have it, it couldn't have been sold. It was a different world back them. But bands like the Beatles didn't just live in the times, they helped to create those times; the 60's were a balnk slate....they wrote on it & well. Later generations have had to fit in the slots, more or less, now they are again trying to break out, like we did in the 60's. Nowadays a "star" from "Idol" is ridiculously successful, solely on promotion. No way you can put the Beatles in that "luck & promotion" slot!!

We will always agree to disagree, caryne, and for that I am grateful. But there are a huge number of kids today that, in spite of what the music industry is trying push on them, they still go back instinctively to the Beatles and Love and the great 60's music. Not the Clash, not Iggy, not Bee Gees, but to what touches their deep youthful soul, just like it did for us way back when. We didn't give a damn about promotion (which was in it's infancy...not like the machine today), the first time we heard She Loves You it we knew something wonderful was happening. Probably like the first time you heard The Clash or Iggy.

By the way, even She Loves You was revolutionary. It was the first pop tune to start with the refrain...never been done before. Small now, but a huge creative leap. One of many that is just taken for granted today because everyone copies them The influence is immeasurable,
all have expressed they indebtedness, from Dylan to REM, to The Pretties. Leonard Berstein called "She Said, She Said" the greatest modern song ever written. Those kind of things are not thrown out lightly.

Time will out....but I fear you & I, caryne, will never agree, but let's never stop talking!!

ok.......... thanks for the time slot...I'm done...stick a fork in me.

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