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Joe Morris
Old Love
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 Posted - 10/11/2008 : 00:09:59
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Interesting topic
Can't believe the man hasn't really listened to the album, cos theres not one stronger in the annals of rock. Up there with the White Album, which is probably the Beatles best (now if only Hey Jude had been a track instead of Rev 9! then it wouldn't be frighteningly flawed)
How many reissues of Forever Changes are there? I understand theres even a Japanese import with gatefold sleeve (no bonus tracks though)
Makes you wonder about the sound quality if they had to keep reissuing the bloody thing! |
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LaylaGordon
First Love
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Posted - 11/11/2008 : 13:36:59
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To the kind messages re: Jim Gordon....thank you from the bottom of my heart for your kind words. The recent petition for his freedom showed that neither one of you are alone in your feelings pertaining to Jim. The petition was not only for his freedom, but if the parole board deemed it appropriate that he should be placed in a hospital with sophisticated treatment. However, from my correspondence with him, he is doing fine. He is completely in the "here and now." He is 63 years old now and he is not a threat to anyone.
I'm going to have to check out his work on Forever Changes....I've been researching his career for years and I learn something new everyday.
Again, thanks for your words of encouragement...
Take care,
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LaylaGordon
First Love
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Posted - 11/11/2008 : 13:38:47
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By the way, I will pass along your words to Jim.....he appreciated the petition and it made him feel wonderful. Love is really all it is about, right?
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lemonade kid
Old Love
USA
9876 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2008 : 15:38:03
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Originally posted by LaylaGordon
By the way, I will pass along your words to Jim.....he appreciated the petition and it made him feel wonderful. Love is really all it is about, right?
Please let us know how the petition does and good luck, Jim.
"Daily Planet" (Forever Changes) has some good drumming by Jim!! 
It's all about forever changes here! Hope Jim Gordon's are positive and forever......
And thanks for the good word & information about Jim, LaylaG.
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Allan
Old Love
USA
560 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2008 : 15:53:29
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Layla...
If any kind of 'on-line' petition with signatures would help in any way in getting Jim his due release and professional treatments, I know speaking for all on this site, that we would be glad to help.
This forum is world-wide, hence a paper petition would probably be impossible.
Let us know how we can help.
My thoughts and prayers are with you and Jim
Allan
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LaylaGordon
First Love
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Posted - 12/11/2008 : 16:43:09
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A petition was actually created online, however, we were force to freeze it due to one unkind comment and the guy would not let up. I feel for those who have no sympathy for individuals who suffer when the one suffering has no control over it. I do have the password and would be more than happy to provide it to you and the link to the petition if you are interested in signing it. Jim has a copy of the signatures thus far and he was appreciative of each and every signature. We talk quite a bit and he was thrilled that many of his fellow musicians and former bandmates signed the petition, but he was also pleased to see the number of music fans that took the time to sign it.
Health and happiness to all of you....
Take care,
LG
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
1520 Posts |
Posted - 13/11/2008 : 11:06:20
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| I would gladly support the petition, it angers me greatly the way the justice system abuses those who are unable to deal with their life. People get ill, physically and mentally, the world should admit that and not hide mental illness in a way that makes people ashamed. |
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SignedRW
Fifth Love
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 13/11/2008 : 18:55:34
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Caryne, I couldn't agree with you more about the need to overcome the
"shame" aspect of mental illness; one more very sad thing about our
inability to successfully deal yet with a truly awful situation. That
said, unless he's been transfered, Jim is in a treatment facility
(not a prison) just a few miles away from me. By no means would I
ever advocate keeping people suffering from mental affliction locked
away, but consider this. Also held (and treated) for a number of
years at that same facility, was a young man whom I'd personally met
on a number of occasions before his illness took hold; he was one of
my sister's closest friends in high school. He was a nice kid, and
a talented artist. His situation a few years later became one not
very different from my recollection of Jim Gordon's own symptoms. He
began to hear voices, warning him that his life was in great danger,
especially from those who "claimed" to love him and care for him most.
He was prescribed medication to help control this split, but he hated
the way the medicine made him feel, and said that it completely took
away his creativity as an artist, and robbed him of the ability to
paint, without which, he felt, his life was of no value. His parents
took him in, as most parents would, and did all they could to help him
get well. This poor guy ultimately stabbed both of his parents to
death, butchering them in their home and front yard, and he himself
wound up in that California State Hospital facility. After years of
treatment and medication, he was released (over the objections of his
brother, who feared for his own safety and for that of his family),
with the mandate that he stay on his medication. This would be a
similar, if not the same medication that had stifled his creativity
years earlier. There's no happy ending here; not long after his
release, only a few short years ago, after meeting, charming, and befriending a small group of older, retired women who were art lovers,
while driving a few of his new friends to a bay area art show, he
drove at full speed directly into a concrete bridge support on the
Golden Gate Bridge. No survivors. Here was someone who had many
who cared about him and loved him, and his situation was clearly not
his fault, by any stretch of the imagination, and yet, because of his
inability to deal with that medication situation, a total of six people, including him, lost their lives. I've got no answers here,
but it certainly appears to be important that we sometimes err on
the side of caution in attempting to deal with these things that we
understand so little of. Definitely though, I do wish only the best for Jim Gordon and his family.... |
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
1520 Posts |
Posted - 14/11/2008 : 10:35:39
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Signed RW. I can only agree with what you say, there is a great tendency (for reasons of cost cutting, if we are honest nothing else) to release the mentally ill onto the streets for, so called, "care in the community", this invariably means no care whatsoever and left to fend for themselves (often resulting in all manner of tragic circumstances). I don't think anyone will argue that the mentally ill should be treated carefully and properly. However, what should not happen if for the mentally ill to be tried for crimes that they commited whilst ill in the same way a fit person would be.
I truly believe that if there wasn't such a stigma attached to mental illness and it got the funds for research and treatment that other illnesses get then people would get treated a lot sooner and horrific situations like the one you mention would happen far less. |
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Allan
Old Love
USA
560 Posts |
Posted - 14/11/2008 : 14:36:17
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I have recently become a Nurse. This is a 2nd career for me, as I worked for "the biggest/largest Laser Printer manufacturer in the world" (without mentioning names  ), and they decided I was to be part of a workforce reduction in March 07 after 22 years with them. I immediately enrolled and went back to school, rather than wallow in despair about loss of employment.
I found Mental Health to be both interesting and challenging while I was going through Clinicals, and decided this is the area I want to practice in. I have just successfully gained employment in a State Mental Health facility here in NJ. I will begin in a couple weeks after my clearances are checked.
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I don't think anyone will argue that the mentally ill should be treated carefully and properly. However, what should not happen if for the mentally ill to be tried for crimes that they commited whilst ill in the same way a fit person would be.
I truly believe that if there wasn't such a stigma attached to mental illness and it got the funds for research and treatment that other illnesses get then people would get treated a lot sooner and horrific situations like the one you mention would happen far less.
Caryne-I totally agree with you. Health Care policies here in the U.S. devote the most minimal coverage for Mental Health issues. They will only cover a couple hours a month at best-which is totally insufficient for care and treatment.
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rocker
Old Love
USA
3606 Posts |
Posted - 17/11/2008 : 14:45:52
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| hey..good luck Allan there on the career. And as an aside I have some pretty strong opinions on the care of the mentally ill in our society. It dismally failed in part of our extended family. I'm hoping things can be better. |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
USA
9876 Posts |
Posted - 17/11/2008 : 17:04:53
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Originally posted by rocker
hey..good luck Allan there on the career. And as an aside I have some pretty strong opinions on the care of the mentally ill in our society. It dismally failed in part of our extended family. I'm hoping things can be better.
My condolences to your family, rocker. Ever since big gov has dumped the mentally ill on the streets or put them in prison, things have gone from bad to worse. We do have an obligation to take care of our brothers & sisters...I think most would be more than happy to spend our taxes on helping our society instead of wasting billions on murdering innocent civilians around the world.
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rocker
Old Love
USA
3606 Posts |
Posted - 17/11/2008 : 18:29:52
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| thanks lk...I personally have seen how bureacracy has affected two lives, one living and one dead. I don't know. It should not have happened. Not in our society of today. But it did and I know it keeps going on and on. Just one of those things we need to get a handle on. |
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kdion11
Old Love
USA
552 Posts |
Posted - 17/11/2008 : 22:10:11
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Originally posted by rocker
hey..good luck Allan there on the career. And as an aside I have some pretty strong opinions on the care of the mentally ill in our society. It dismally failed in part of our extended family. I'm hoping things can be better.
KD: Hey Rocker - my condolences too - as reported here earlier
(August 8th 2008)I have a twin brother who's been battling
schizophrenia for over 30 years myself - Hang in there. I know
all too well the perils of the mental health system in the USA.
As far as petitions though to release those convicted of violent
crimes ? Not too sure about that.Best to leave that to the professionals. Sorry to those that disagree with
my opinion, but that's your problem. You get your opinions, I and
we have ours. It's called freedom of speech.
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lemonade kid
Old Love
USA
9876 Posts |
Posted - 17/11/2008 : 23:21:06
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Originally posted by kdion11
quote:
Originally posted by rocker
hey..good luck Allan there on the career. And as an aside I have some pretty strong opinions on the care of the mentally ill in our society. It dismally failed in part of our extended family. I'm hoping things can be better.
KD: Hey Rocker - my condolences too - as reported here earlier
(August 8th 2008)I have a twin brother who's been battling
schizophrenia for over 30 years myself - Hang in there. I know
all too well the perils of the mental health system in the USA.
As far as petitions though to release those convicted of violent
crimes ? Not too sure about that.Best to leave that to the professionals. Sorry to those that disagree with
my opinion, but that's your problem. You get your opinions, I and
we have ours. It's called freedom of speech.
KD
Hey, KD. I don't think anyone is advocating unrestricted release, but rather proper care & help to achieve, with medication & empathy, all that can contribute to give these souls the best life possible........and justice in any case. There are mitigating circumstances here--in the case that brought this discussion to light, and Jim Gordon & others deserve our support, as I'm sure you have given your brother. It's been big gov's role to just dump these folks on the street....that's the real sin.
At any rate, I hope to be getting a new post from Michael Stuart-Ware, and get this forum back onto it's original subject. This has been an important subject, to be sure, but maybe a new topic needs to be opened if we wish to continue this discussion.
But above all, our kind wishes & prayers to LaylaGordon & Jim especially.
lk
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LoVE...with M. Stuart-Ware's kind permission....
