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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 11/07/2005 : 02:11:32
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Just got back from a stunning gig..that band are firing on all cylinders and who even noticed that AL wasn't there, not me for sure or all the others there, many of whom said it was the best Love gig they've seen in ages. Just wish I could get to some more....if only there was a way of getting to Exeter on Tuesday......
If anyone is having second thoughts, then take it from me, this is the best show you will have seen Love perform in years, don't miss it |
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jimofbath
First Love
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Posted - 13/07/2005 : 13:38:49
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I have to disagree with the "best show you will have seen Love perform in years" statement. Seriously, let's not get carried away. Arthur Lee may have let himself and others down badly recently but the last thing the guy needs is for everyone to say "Who the hell is Arthur Lee?" or "the shows were better without him". The man is a legend. I have seen Love WITH Arthur Lee three times in the past few years.
1. Fleece & Firkin, Bristol - mindblowing. I couldn't believe I was watching the real Arthur Lee.
2. Colston Hall, Bristol - Forever Changes with the brass and strings - OMG! A dream come true. Perfection.
3. Pavillion, Bath - half-full thanks to NO local advertising but a superb performance from Arthur and the band (as always).
I do not wich to take anything away from the band - they frankly rock - and the way they are dealing with adversity is incredible. I thoroughly enjoyed the Frome gig and was amazed by Rusty's vocals (and thrilled to see Mr Echols) but it was just not the same. Arthur Lee is a legend and he cannot be replaced. |
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LarryNYC
Fifth Love
USA
310 Posts |
Posted - 13/07/2005 : 14:34:59
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Jimofbath I dont think anyone here is suggesting that Arthur should or could be replaced.I think all Caryne is doing here is the same thing as she did in Frome, where she stood outside the venue for an hour persuading the uncertain that yes the show is still great without Arthur. She is a truely dedicated Love fan who has seen the band an almost ridiculous amount of times.
The facts are that for whatever reason Arthur cannot perform at the moment. The band themselves found this out at the very last moment, and istead of going oh woe is me we'd better cancel they said sod it lets go for it ! By your own account and most others they are doing a splendid job.
Now a question. If it turns out that for whatever reason Arthur can't perform for quite some time, or even peform live again what then? Afterall the guy is 60 years old and has had a crazy roller coaster lifestyle that is truely legendary.Surely there is no other band in the world more qualified to carry on the legacy of Mr Lee and Love than the boys who are currently filling those shoes to the full ? |
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
1520 Posts |
Posted - 13/07/2005 : 15:23:52
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| On top of what Larry has said, which I agree 100% with, perhaps you should also check my wording? I said 'this is the best show you will have seen Love perform in years' there was no mention of Arthur Lee. When Arthur is on good form he is mind blowing but we all know those occasions, in recent times, have been getting fewer and fewer and the band have, many times, had to 'carry him'...this has hampered their own performances as it's hard to fully give yourself to a show when you have such an unpredicatable character out front. Now, the band, 'Love' are able to perform with a new found freedom and, as I said, I truly believe are now giving some great performances. |
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jimofbath
First Love
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Posted - 13/07/2005 : 15:25:53
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Larry, I agree with you completely and was one of those persuaded by Caryne in Frome.
It's just that in an attempt to keep spirits high in trying times, it is very easy to lose touch with the fact that, despite his faults, most of us are huge fans of Arthur Lee and would prefer to see Love with him rather than without.
I wonder if the man himself appreciates the work that many people put into making these shows a success? I guess you can't be a legendary rock star without a huge slice of ego. |
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boombox
Old Love
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/07/2005 : 00:35:58
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jimofbath, I too attended the first two of your three shows and three others since then before the two I was privileged to catch on this tour. I agree, AL was beyond words at the F&F, and a real hero, dedicating songs to the folks who couldn't get in. The Colston Hall gig was OK, but the venue is awful being all seated. AL was very good yes, even doing the infamous Anthem twice because he screwed it up.
However, if Rusty, Mike, Johnny and Co are forced to carry on without Arthur, so be it. Perhaps some might think this is heresy, but Arthur is no Jim Morrison. The doors without Jim was pretty bad - they lost something - Ray could do the vocals, but it was never quite right. Love without Arthur is different; the guys have proved (as if they needed to and anyway the majority already knew it) that they are more than equal to continuing the legacy of Love's music. Of course I would love to see Arthur back like he was at that F&F gig, but I will continue to pay full whack on the tickets to see Love or The Love Band, or whatever they call themselves.
BTW caryne, I take issue with your "best Love gig they've seen in ages" statement too. I think Oxford was just as good if not better - marginally I admit, probably more to do with the venue. |
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
1520 Posts |
Posted - 14/07/2005 : 03:22:45
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Boombox - I agree with all you say, but, of course, can make no comment on the Oxford gig because I wasn't there!!  |
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jimofbath
First Love
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Posted - 14/07/2005 : 10:42:41
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Okay!
So let's all just agree that Love with Arthur Lee were AMAZING and The Love Band are damn AWESOME! 
The Doors without Jim... that sounds pretty bad. In fact, I just "got hold" of a copy of Other Voices and Full Circle. They are both pretty poor. Perhaps I could stand in for Morrison if they tour again... 
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
1520 Posts |
Posted - 14/07/2005 : 12:11:31
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Jim - I think you've hit the nail on the head, 'Love with Arthur Lee' WERE amazing, whether that will ever happen again is a very big, and unlikely, question mark at the moment.
We've discussed the Doors without Jim thing in the past and I, for one, find the whole thing unthinkable..however, some people seem to enjoy these '21st Centruy Doors' (or whatever they are calling themselves!!) so who am I to argue with them. Jim, please don't stand in for Morrison in all ways |
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jimofbath
First Love
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Posted - 14/07/2005 : 12:13:33
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I wouldn't really dream of standing in for Mr Mojo Risin.
However, me and my mate have recorded a pretty decent (I reckon) cover of Riders on the Storm. Anyone want to check it out?
Here's a link to the .mp3 just in case...
http://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0U3PXHTGCZ6WN3CTJONSLZDOG3 |
Edited by - jimofbath on 14/07/2005 12:28:18 |
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Mosquito
Second Love
United Kingdom
47 Posts |
Posted - 14/07/2005 : 17:05:02
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As a huge Doors fan, I will certainly have a listen to ROTS; such a great song.
I have to say I have always thought the Doors were a lot more than Jim, and I do love the post-Jim albums (hence my moniker ;-) ), notably Other Voices. Ships with Sails is like ROTS mkII. The Doors were great instrumentalists, and that's where the post Jim albums shine I think. Ray M was never better, imo.
I can't comment on Love recently with Arthur, cos the time I saw Arthur in 2003 he was on TOP form. And when I saw the Love Band with Johny the other night they were on TOP form too. Would I have preferred the gig with Arthur there, even if he had not been on top form. Difficult question. As the wrtiers above have said, the man IS a LEGEND, and without him or Johny the Love Band would in reality be a Love tribute band. Harsh maybe, but with Arthur or Johny the umbilical link to the past is lost.
I wish Arthur well. I'd certainly see the Love Band a few times on the next tour, cos they cooked, there's no doubting that, they cooked far more than your average modern rock/pop band, but having Arthur there adds a glow to the whole event. When I saw him at Canterbury I couldn't stop beaming - it was like meeting the Dali Lama!!
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
1520 Posts |
Posted - 14/07/2005 : 18:02:35
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Well, the band do have Johnny at the moment so there is a link to the 60s, but even without, I think it's pretty tough to call them a 'tribute band'...as has been said many times before..this group of musicians have played as 'Love' for over ten years, far longer than anyone ever did before...it they don't deserve the name then no-one does.
Seriously, you would not have enjoyed the gig in Frome if Arthur had been there in his current condition, believe me, it's not something to be 'enjoyed'. When Arthur is on form he is a great performer, bit when he isn't...... |
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Mosquito
Second Love
United Kingdom
47 Posts |
Posted - 14/07/2005 : 20:08:53
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Paint the the picture. What do you mean current condition?
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Mosquito
Second Love
United Kingdom
47 Posts |
Posted - 14/07/2005 : 20:27:03
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| OK unfair question. Typical gig with Arthur in recent times. What could I expect? |
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steve64
Fifth Love
United Kingdom
344 Posts |
Posted - 14/07/2005 : 21:50:24
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Each to their own I have seen the Doors 21st Century 5 times and they are a great live act with 2 original members the best gig I have seen was in Paris on December 8th 2003 (Jim's 60th birthday) in a small club not far from Pere Lachaise where Jim is buried.. they are recording a new album at present as well as playing dates in the u.s.! Other Voices is a pretty good album and Full Circle is just ok great Doors fan site at http://newdoorstalk.proboards43.com/ quote:
Originally posted by jimofbath
Okay!
So let's all just agree that Love with Arthur Lee were AMAZING and The Love Band are damn AWESOME!
The Doors without Jim... that sounds pretty bad. In fact, I just "got hold" of a copy of Other Voices and Full Circle. They are both pretty poor. Perhaps I could stand in for Morrison if they tour again...
hey ho! lets go! |
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
1520 Posts |
Posted - 14/07/2005 : 22:51:41
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quote:
Originally posted by Mosquito
OK unfair question. Typical gig with Arthur in recent times. What could I expect?
Sorry, if you are a genuine fan with a genuine question but I have to say there have been several people posting on this board recently with just the sole purpose of making mischief, it is for that reason that I am not going to comment any further on Arthur's past/present and (possible) future position. All I can suggest, if you really do want to know is you read up a few older posts on this site and, maybe, check out Mike's diaries...I think they say all you need to know.
Steve - you know I will always disagree with you on that Doors thing, so, as you say, each to his/her own |
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