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Judith
Third Love
United Kingdom
93 Posts |
 Posted - 03/07/2005 : 20:21:11
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| Can only agree with you Allanagain. Disappointing to see some people not recognising that maybe Arthur is ill-not a bad (or selfish)person as some have suggested. He will be missed but we're lucky to have the rest of the great band. |
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
1520 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2005 : 20:59:24
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| Allan...are you seriously saying that you now won't be going to the gig on Thursday? Course it's your choice but I will also say it's your loss. I don't want to say any more about Arthur than has been said already but only that the band, and Johnny, really deserve all the support we can give them at this time...they have done some sterling work over the years and to just give up on them now seems very sad. |
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Phil Brauer
Third Love
90 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2005 : 05:21:55
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| I think the band should play "Softly to Me" and "Barber John" and anything that Johnny Echols teaches them from Gethsemane. |
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Allan
Old Love
USA
560 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2005 : 16:08:00
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Caryne...I do agree with you. If it weren't for the band, would Arthur and LOVE be anywhere near where they are at now. Granted, LOVE are not a house-hold name, and I think I like it fine that way. Too often, when bands reach that 'star' status, they don't/can't sustain it. But just to have LOVE perform almost 40 years after the 60's group disbanded is more than enough for me. I saw the band twice last year here in the States, and they were awesome. Yes, Mike, Rusty, Johnny, Dave, Daddy-yo...all of them brilliant.
It is my opinion that Arthur didn't make the band, but rather the band made Arthur. That goes for the original group in the 60's as well as today's band. The band are all quite noble and are prize musicians. Johnny's return couldn't have come at a better time.
As for Arthur...well let's hope he gets well and re-joins the band soon. Speaking for myself only...I hope Arthur is getting the help that I think he needs. I hope Arthur can rise above all of this, and return a 'better and more healthy person'.
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ALLANAGAIN
Old Love
United Kingdom
687 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2005 : 18:01:03
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Hi Caryne,
i have just come off the telephone after speaking to Islington Academy who tell me i cannot get a re-fund on my ticket as the promoters are saying they will not give a re-fund on any tickets as it is a change of line-up and not a change of act.
Wich seems a bit rich as the ticket i payed £20 for clearly says LOVE WITH ARTHUR LEE.
They also say if(????) ARTHUR LEE dosent show i can get a partial re-fund on my ticket, but only if i turn up at the gig on the night.
As it costs me £20 to get from here to Islington, obviously i shall attend the show.
Which is a crappy way to do business, and leaves a bad taste.
I dont want to get into Arthur v. B.lemonade, or anything like that, but as i have said I would not have bought a ticket if i had known Arthur was not preforming.
So, i guess i,ll be there on thursday, but at the mo. i feel p. off and confused by all this.
Hoping this is not the tip of an iceberg, i shall try and get my head around it+ enjoy the gig.
DAZED AND CONFUSED.......LOVE.....Allan |
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ocfan
Fourth Love
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2005 : 20:35:59
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Caryne:
First thanks for all the support of the band. It is sad that Arthur is not there but Johnny was just as much LOVE in the earlier days as Arthur was.
As to the fans griping about Mr Lee not being on board: Arthur indeed does bring something to the show, but as of late that has not been a good something.
Baby Lemonade is truly as responsible for the LOVE comeback as AL. Had it not been for them, their incredible talent, and showmanship in some very ugly situations. They never disappoint. AL has been disappointing us for quite some time.
Johnny Echols is as much the original LOVE as Arthur Lee and just as strong a talent.
For the price of the ticket people would be fools not to attend. This band is awesome.
I think everyone hopes that Arthur gets his problems sorted out and returns fit and healthy. To not support the band at this time will just make future gigs harder to book. And since they are so good, why would someone choose not to go?
Again, thanks to all that continue to support the legend of Love.
I know I would be there if I could.
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
1520 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2005 : 21:51:24
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Originally posted by ALLANAGAIN
Hi Caryne,
i have just come off the telephone after speaking to Islington Academy who tell me i cannot get a re-fund on my ticket as the promoters are saying they will not give a re-fund on any tickets as it is a change of line-up and not a change of act.
Wich seems a bit rich as the ticket i payed £20 for clearly says LOVE WITH ARTHUR LEE.
They also say if(????) ARTHUR LEE dosent show i can get a partial re-fund on my ticket, but only if i turn up at the gig on the night.
As it costs me £20 to get from here to Islington, obviously i shall attend the show.
Which is a crappy way to do business, and leaves a bad taste.
I dont want to get into Arthur v. B.lemonade, or anything like that, but as i have said I would not have bought a ticket if i had known Arthur was not preforming.
So, i guess i,ll be there on thursday, but at the mo. i feel p. off and confused by all this.
Hoping this is not the tip of an iceberg, i shall try and get my head around it+ enjoy the gig.
DAZED AND CONFUSED.......LOVE.....Allan
Allan...sorry you feel aggrieved but I can only repeat none of this is the fault of the band or the management of the band..it is totally the fault of one person alone. You will get your 'partial refund' on the night and, I really hope you will enjoy the gig. Try to look on the bright side, you are seeing an excellent band plus Johnny doing stuff they wouldn't have been able to do if Arthur had been with them. |
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ruxprncd
Fifth Love
305 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2005 : 23:41:25
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as much as I respect the BL guys personally and musically, and even though I'd Love to have the chance to see the lineup w/Johnny and w/o Arthur (and I'll buy the plane tickets to prove it if they're on the East coast of the US :)...I have to agree with allanagain that anybody wanting a refund should be obliged with no questions asked.
allan, with that said I hope you enjoy the show.
my vote would be for BL to be the opening band... |
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ALLANAGAIN
Old Love
United Kingdom
687 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2005 : 00:19:25
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Thanks for that. I,ve been down all day, and feel more upset than aggreived.
You are right Caryne, i,ve got to get my head into enjoying the gig, and as you said, it,s no fault of anyone on the stage.
It,s gonna be strange without A.L. but as you say the up-side will be hearing some different tunes....maybe even REVALATIONS.......!!!
Hope WE ALL HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.....Thanks again....LOVE ...Allan |
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TheElephantMan
Second Love
27 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2005 : 00:23:49
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"it's no fault of anyone on the stage"
Absolutely. Although this situation isn't ideal - at least we still have the opportunity to hear this fantastic music live and in the company of other people who appreciate it! Add a few beers to the mix and you've still got an (almost) perfect night to look forward to. Enjoy it. 
Ian.
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Conrad Conrad
Second Love
26 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2005 : 07:30:35
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I just erased a long rant. I'll just say that I was there in SF Thursday and I've seen Love several times recently. Those of you complaining about Arthur missing these shows should realize that at this stage in the game, Love Without Arthur Lee is a much better band than Love With Arthur Lee. I intensely hope that Arthur pulls out of his current state but in the real world, I would not pay to see Love With Arthur Lee. I don't think Johnny makes that much of a difference. He's certainly sounding better than those guest encores he did, which were awful, but, in general, Baby Lemonade without AL is the best Love band available.
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Conrad Conrad
Second Love
26 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2005 : 07:45:06
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On reflection, my last post was a bit harsh on Johnny. He did bring some real authority to his parts and fit in with the band better than I expected. Those encores were blues jams which did not do it for me. I was looking forward to a whole set of Love with Arthur & Johnny & it's not Johnny's fault that Arthur was out of it.
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bob f.
Old Love
USA
1308 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2005 : 05:15:22
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| LOVE is not LOVE without Arthur Lee. it's great, but not LOVE with Arthur Lee! i PRAY he heals!!! Echols holds the good, positive vibes up, he was there from the start , and is now the glue which holds this force together spanding the 60's LOVE and the present Love. i respect Arthur's private concerns, public errors, and right to be anyway he wants to be, i only care about him 'cause his music has been a part of my life since the first record. his OFFnights frustrate me. his great nights ELATE me! i'm only grateful that i've been able to attend several great shows, and will always apreciate Lee's SPECIAL lyrics. me and me friends used to stay up all night playing FOREVER CHANGES! when it first came out! we'd be AWED by the lyrics. especially " you set the scene". the music has always been in my basic sountrack of my life. i always looked up to A.L. like my big brother. and i never separated Lee, in my mind from Johnny Echols! ever! they always seemed like brothers to the love band. i was hitchhiking in Hollywood in '66 and Echols gave me a ride! i asked him about any new LP. he said they're working on a new one! i saw LOVE around that time at the HULLUBALOO! AND " Forever CHANGES" still haunts and mesmerizes me more than any other album. written and produced by LEE. most recent LOVE show i saw was at the Wilshire ebell theatre, L.A., 2004.great!!! i support the music of Arthur LEE and LOVE in any context, and wish a mighty concert tour to Johnny ( be good!) and Love band ! white light and blesses to Arthur! if you don't bring me water, than i will burn! |
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Allan
Old Love
USA
560 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2005 : 15:24:03
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i respect Arthur's private concerns, public errors, and right to be anyway he wants to be, i only care about him 'cause his music has been a part of my life since the first record.
bob f.-I certainly underestand how you feel and agree with you 100%. Arthur (or any person), is free to do whatever they want to do and whenever they want to do it. Except...
My only concern is that old time and newly found fans pay their money to see the band (any band for that matter). Shouldn't it be an un-said artists' oath to perform as best as they possibly could in a professional and correct state of mind and body. I know that's how Mike Randle, Johnny, and the rest of the band feel. I'm not saying that any musician can't have an off night...s--t happens. But doesn't an artist/musician at least owe that to their paying fans. I've always felt that when it's show time, a musician gives it his best.
I'm not sure that Arthur feels that way.
It's just too painful to see and hear Arthur when he's in that state.
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GoodHumourMan
Third Love
United Kingdom
60 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2005 : 18:30:36
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I left England three weeks ago and returned to the USA after 10 years. I had considered staying for another month for one more Love gig in London, but decided on a June departure and I now live in Maryland.
From my view, was a Love show without Arthur Lee a disappointment? Of course. Was it a full Love gig without Arthur Lee? No, that's impossible. But was it a ripoff? NO....A ripoff is when a buyer thinks he/she is getting one thing for their money and instead get something less and the seller knows less is being sold. That hasn't happened.
The Love band was very straight and offered everybody a choice of full refund or reduced rate for seeing the band that played with Arthur on the Forever Changes tour and the lead guitarist who played on Love's classic albums. Rusty, Mike, Johnny and everybody else knew the crowd wasn't getting the same product without Arthur.
But nevertheless, these guys have the tools to put on a Love show, even though it's not unreasonable to just consider it a Love Tribute concert. So they did. They earned their money fairly and honestly.
I hope the rumour that Arthur has bailed out forever is just a rumour and he will be back on board soon.
As long as a seller is straight forward about what he/she is selling and the price he/she is selling it for, there is no ripoff.
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Love WITHOUT Arthur Lee
