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rocker
Old Love
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 Posted - 14/03/2013 : 15:04:23
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very good joe..Now I did see that quote on notes to the Candy's Waltz album.
And just an observation and I'm curious as to where the truth lies.
There's an interview on the album where Bryan was asked which was the
best Love record. He commented that the first two had them just starting out and finding their way. As for FC, all he did say was that it was 'symmetrical' and that was about it. He sure didn't come off enthusiastic about it. He just used that word 'symmetrical'. Now I did expect him to say yes FC was the best and then lavish praise on it but he didn't. I guess he was of two minds regarding that album. Now is that the truth? |
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Joe Morris
Old Love
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Posted - 14/03/2013 : 16:32:19
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oh! I thought I read it in Mojo!
there was a brief interview with Bryan on the definition of faith shortly before he passed
I forget the definition from the bible (from Numbers or whatever) but that is a good quote by Bryan
by his own account Bryan was trying for a timelessness with his songs and, really, you can play "Softly to me" or "Old Man" or "Alone Again Or" and not be able to figure on when it was recorded.. 70s? last year? Alone Again Or sounds contemporary! |
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Joe Morris
Old Love
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Posted - 14/03/2013 : 16:33:16
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underture
Fifth Love
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Posted - 15/03/2013 : 15:15:58
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Originally posted by Joe Morris
Bryan never listened to Forever Changes
Michael also never listens to FC; funny how one of the greatest albums of all time is never heard by its creators. Maybe the trauma that went with it's recording contibuted to their reservations about it?
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rocker
Old Love
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Posted - 16/03/2013 : 19:08:01
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'Michael also never listens to FC; funny how one of the greatest albums of all time is never heard by its creators. Maybe the trauma that went with it's recording contibuted to their reservations about it?'
You know I hope the fact of 'not listening' doesn't mean disowning it particularly Michael and Bryan.
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captain america and billy
Old Love
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Posted - 16/03/2013 : 19:27:47
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| Probably no true great artist ever really disowns any piece,really.What happens is actually natural transformation we all experience as we age.The more socially conscious writers in the sixties happened to be highly adept at expressing these "Forever Changes".They don't abandon their works,they just plain move onward and upward through life,ever evolving,ever adjusting their perspectives on things. |
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Joe Morris
Old Love
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Posted - 16/03/2013 : 20:48:02
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Bryan felt it was a "prosaic mix"
And his singing on "Old man" made him want to hide behind the couch, as I recall! |
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rocker
Old Love
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Posted - 17/03/2013 : 01:48:36
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'Probably no true great artist ever really disowns any piece,really'
I can go with that. And From the looks of it though the guys that make art sure can have a different view of it than those who take in that art! |
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sometimesmylifeissoeerie
Fourth Love
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Posted - 17/03/2013 : 06:08:16
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Originally posted by Joe Morris
Bryan felt it was a "prosaic mix"
And his singing on "Old man" made him want to hide behind the couch, as I recall!
Yeah, I can't stand it either. If you compare the keys that he sang it in on the demo tape ("ifyoubelievein") and FC, you'd find that the key on the demo tape is one whole step lower than the FC version, and his voice sounds much better.
I always hated OM because of his wimpy-sounding voice on FC, but then when I heard it on the demo tape, I realized that it's literally a work of genius on BM's part as a songwriter.
I wonder why he sang it in such a high key on FC?
I hope you-know-who had nothing to do with it...
I still think that BM's contribution to FC has been greatly under estimated; if you listen to the goddamned thing, it's all BM's acoustic guitar! I doubt that AL told BM what chords to play.
Betwixt his superb rhythm guitar playing, and DA's great arrangements, I think there's a reason why FC is better than anything else that AL ever did... |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
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Posted - 17/03/2013 : 14:37:32
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Originally posted by sometimesmylifeissoeerie
quote:
Originally posted by Joe Morris
Bryan felt it was a "prosaic mix"
And his singing on "Old man" made him want to hide behind the couch, as I recall!
Yeah, I can't stand it either. If you compare the keys that he sang it in on the demo tape ("ifyoubelievein") and FC, you'd find that the key on the demo tape is one whole step lower than the FC version, and his voice sounds much better.
I always hated OM because of his wimpy-sounding voice on FC, but then when I heard it on the demo tape, I realized that it's literally a work of genius on BM's part as a songwriter.
I wonder why he sang it in such a high key on FC?
I hope you-know-who had nothing to do with it...
I still think that BM's contribution to FC has been greatly under estimated; if you listen to the goddamned thing, it's all BM's acoustic guitar! I doubt that AL told BM what chords to play.
Betwixt his superb rhythm guitar playing, and DA's great arrangements, I think there's a reason why FC is better than anything else that AL ever did...
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Originally posted by sometimesmylifeissoeerie
quote:
Originally posted by Joe Morris
Bryan felt it was a "prosaic mix"
And his singing on "Old man" made him want to hide behind the couch, as I recall!
Yeah, I can't stand it either. If you compare the keys that he sang it in on the demo tape ("ifyoubelievein") and FC, you'd find that the key on the demo tape is one whole step lower than the FC version, and his voice sounds much better.
I always hated OM because of his wimpy-sounding voice on FC, but then when I heard it on the demo tape, I realized that it's literally a work of genius on BM's part as a songwriter.
I wonder why he sang it in such a high key on FC?
I hope you-know-who had nothing to do with it...
I still think that BM's contribution to FC has been greatly under estimated; if you listen to the goddamned thing, it's all BM's acoustic guitar! I doubt that AL told BM what chords to play.
Betwixt his superb rhythm guitar playing, and DA's great arrangements, I think there's a reason why FC is better than anything else that AL ever did...
Hey, smle...I agree about Bryan's great contribution to FC on every song!
In fact every member of that Love made FC what it was and it would not be the same without them. Arthur played for them, each bare bones & rough composition, and trusted them all to run with it!
And Man, did they!!
When I listen to the andifyoubelievein LP I hear Bryan's genius on his rhythm super-strumming, it's on the level of Pete Townsend when he lets loose on Pin Ball Wizard with those rhythm riffs!
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rocker
Old Love
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Posted - 18/03/2013 : 14:44:41
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I still think that BM's contribution to FC has been greatly under estimated; if you listen to the goddamned thing, it's all BM's acoustic guitar!
And I can hear that too. And you can tell that acoustic in some of the songs also had great 'punch' particularly MTPWBTTOBCH. I figure Arthur no doubt wanted that. He was kinda a 'punchy' guy........;-).. |
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Joe Morris
Old Love
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Posted - 18/03/2013 : 14:54:16
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I'm sure Arthur would've shown Bryan the songs and gone over how to play them
According to the Einarson book, Arthur did not play on FC
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underture
Fifth Love
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Posted - 18/03/2013 : 15:34:52
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Never meant to imply that Michael has disowned his participation in FC or the group. In fact, the opposite. I believe on his part he is hearing the technical and musical imperfections in the album, and being the outstanding musician that he is is just giving his honest opinion on the masterpiece. He even said in a question I asked him that he was extremely proud and lucky to have participated in LoVE.
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Joe Morris
Old Love
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Posted - 18/03/2013 : 23:22:34
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I don't think McCartney thought much of Revolver when he first heard it played back, thought it sounded wrong
And Lennon wanted to rerecord every single one of his Beatles classics - to him the songs just reminded him of the sessions
He was proud of the fact that they recorded their first album in a day though! |
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rocker
Old Love
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Posted - 19/03/2013 : 16:14:37
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He even said in a question I asked him that he was extremely proud and lucky to have participated in LoVE.
Well I'm glad about that. he helped to make some beautiful music for all time. |
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