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Joe Morris
Old Love
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 Posted - 01/09/2009 : 04:19:45
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You need to read Portrait and Dubliners before I think, as characters
as characters from both books appear in Ulysses
Tend to reread Portrait if I ever need to read Joyce. Or turn to
Wodehouse or Dostoyevsky. Ulysses a struggle man, especially
"Oxen of the Sun"! |
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John9
Old Love
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 09:24:47
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Of course, Jefferson Airplane had their own take on all of this with their track from After Bathing at Baxters - entitled Re Joyce....possibly the finest Grace Slick song ever:
All you want to do is give
But somehow, it all falls apart...
As Grace herself said of the song:
"It's impossible to dance to and difficult to sing along to. I write about weird subjects because it interests me.....it is not interesting writing love songs."
A great rock song inspired by great literature....surely this is the Airplane's very own Red Telephone...and appropriately it is at the end of the first side of (arguably) their most innovative, exciting and visionary album! |
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rocker
Old Love
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 14:24:47
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I'll be checking that out that Airplane record now.
Interesting that Slick termed her interest "weird". I think that kind of goes back to that anti-intellectualism streak in American culture. MacDonald I think beleives that in the UK you tend not to have that kind of dichotomy since the arts and music are usually linked up by its performers. Putting a lit reference in a song really shouldn't be 'weird'. |
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 14:40:56
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Originally posted by rocker
I'll be checking that out that Airplane record now.
Interesting that Slick termed her interest "weird". I think that kind of goes back to that anti-intellectualism streak in American culture. MacDonald I think beleives that in the UK you tend not to have that kind of dichotomy since the arts and music are usually linked up by its performers. Putting a lit reference in a song really shouldn't be 'weird'.
I guess it goes back to another topic on this forum where I comment on americans (in general, not all of course) finding the need to 'catergorise' things. Music is music and literature is literature, many seem to think. Like you say, in the UK there is no division, literary references are commonplace. No one thought Kate Bush was weird when she did 'Wuthering Heights' (though some may have found her weird for other reasons ) |
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John9
Old Love
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 15:04:58
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| Caryne, did you catch the new adaptation of Wuthering Heights on ITV last night and the night before? I thought it wonderful...mind you, I'm easy prey for anything like that. Strangely enough, only on Friday night I drove over with a friend to Thornton, Bradford....birthplace of all the Bronte siblings. The route can take you along an extremely remote road from Colne to Hawarth...and up on the right is the particular moorland that gave Emily Bronte her inspiration. I'm a real admirer of Kate Bush....and especially of her preoccupation with the dreamworld.....bet she's read a lot of Karl Jung! |
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 15:46:04
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Originally posted by John9
Caryne, did you catch the new adaptation of Wuthering Heights on ITV last night and the night before? I thought it wonderful...mind you, I'm easy prey for anything like that. Strangely enough, only on Friday night I drove over with a friend to Thornton, Bradford....birthplace of all the Bronte siblings. The route can take you along an extremely remote road from Colne to Hawarth...and up on the right is the particular moorland that gave Emily Bronte her inspiration. I'm a real admirer of Kate Bush....and especially of her preoccupation with the dreamworld.....bet she's read a lot of Karl Jung!
Wuthering Heights is, I have to admit, my all time favourite book so no adaption is going to be good enough for me as so much (usually the nastier bits) is always missed out and I find that detracts so much from the story. Saying that, as a film (which it was really split over two nights) I did find it very watchable especially the Heathcliff character, sadly the Cathy was a bit wet though, I did wonder what he saw in her |
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rocker
Old Love
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3606 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2009 : 20:47:58
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| scully...I did some checking and I don't think MacDonald wrote anything on Sill...at least not a book. In checking I did find out that the Turtles did one of her songs, "Lady O" in 69. Never heard that one. |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
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Posted - 01/09/2009 : 23:23:59
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Originally posted by rocker
scully...I did some checking and I don't think MacDonald wrote anything on Sill...at least not a book. In checking I did find out that the Turtles did one of her songs, "Lady O" in 69. Never heard that one.
And the Hollies recorded Jesus Was A Cross Maker, as did Warren Zevon, and British singer Judie Tzuke, & live by the Fleet Foxes. Judee's version was produced by Graham Nash. She opened for Crosby and Nash (back in '71), who were very strong in their support of Judee--to no avail.
It seems she had more of a following in the UK. Her OGWT performance of The Kiss is beautifully perfect Here we have reformed druggie/former prostitute/convicted liquor store robber/born again prison gospel organist...looking like a "librarian". She blew the audience away!!
Free the rest of the songs of the OGWT performance BBC on video!! The BBC sessions are available on CD!! Judee on piano or guitar.
Sweet Judee Sill....THE KISS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0feFedDW_iQ&feature=related
And live from Brisbane...their cover of Judee's CRAYON ANGEL by Seattle based Fleet Foxes. Uncut!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlBmvztPWvE&feature=related
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sometimesmylifeissoeerie
Fourth Love
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Posted - 02/09/2009 : 01:24:44
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Uh oh, you're back on JS again!
She told a British reporter that she was appreciated more in the UK than the USA, especially at concerts.
On the OGWT, she begged the audience to got out and buy her records so she didn't have to open for any more snotty, obnoxious rock bands!
Then she called David Geffin a fat,little fag at a UK concert, years before he came out of the closet- that was pretty much it for her career.
Linda Ronstadt even covered JWACM, but they had to call it "A Bandit and a Heartbreaker" because her record co. thought the title was too controversial.I got a woman pianist friend to buy JS' first LP, and she said "that's a Linda Ronstadt song I always loved!"
Mama Cass covered it too, but her version of it was so bad, it was never issued.
Although she does have similarities to AL, I'm beginning to find a lot of similarities between her and John Lennon- one guy on another website even said she looked like John Lennon!
Towards the end, she and her poet husband didn't think they were males or females- they thought they were "donors" for the human race.
Don't ask me what that's about.
LK- What songs are available on CD from the OGWT?
In Barney Hoyskyn's new book on Tom Waits, he said that Geffen encouraged his Asylum artists to produce for each other on some cuts of their LPs.
Although Nash admired JS, I don't think he knew her too well.
He told people back then that she had OD'd in 1974, five years before she actually did.
Someone related to her ex-husband told me she took off David Crosby's belt backstage at a concert one time an started chasing him around, hitting hiwm with it!
It would be interesting to ask Crosby about his memories of her. |
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Joe Morris
Old Love
3491 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2009 : 05:41:55
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
1520 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2009 : 11:08:12
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Originally posted by Joe Morris
Wasn't she a hooker?
I have no idea about that (not heard it before) but I think she was pretty screwed up in lots of ways (kind of goes without saying) and often said/done things that really did her no good at all. I guess it's sometimes best to forget the character and just concentrate on the music (now where have I heard that before) |
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rocker
Old Love
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Posted - 02/09/2009 : 14:29:50
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You know I wasn't familiar with Sill and learned much from the posts. One thing I'd like to say. Without a doubt she was a talent. But yet no producer (to my knowledge) apparently other than Geffen took it upon themselves to delve into her a bit more even if she did have "problems". I don't get it but in one way I do and that goes back to the fact that the music biz can suck big time where it just chews people up. It can be unforgiving and stupid. Sill, unfortunately, got "beneath the wheel" and was crushed.
lk...I did not know that that song Jesus Was A Cross Maker was by Sill. Thx for the headsup. For a long time, it's one of my favorites from the Hollies' "Romany" record. |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
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Posted - 02/09/2009 : 17:29:56
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Originally posted by Joe Morris
Wasn't she a hooker?
Her beloved father died when she was very young and her mother remarried...an alcoholic--Kenneth Muse animator of Tom & Jerry...but he encouraged her musical talents. Unable to cope with a troubled home life and being a rebellious youth, she got into the wrong crowds....
She hooked for a short while to feed her drug habit as a teen. Then she was arrested for armed robbery and was sent to reform school/prison. While there, her beloved brother died from a liver ailment; devastated, she quit drugs cold turkey-- on sure will. She vowed to use her musical talent, learned to play gospel & played organ in the prison choir. Hence her gospel tinged piano style......she was not really a born again, she was more of a mystic spiritualist. Joni Mitchell was a big fan and pushed her with Geffen. Sill was realy the first of the Laurel Canyon movement...ladies of the canyon.
Like Drake, she hated to perform...but more because she felt she was a headliner, not an "opening act" talent and also because she often opened for power prog, hard rocking bands whose audiences had no patience for a folkie singing beautiful songs...they wanted to ROCK!!
She was in a series of auto accidents in the 70's-- not on drugs! -- that left her with excruciating back pain injuries--to the point of a disability. Because of her drug history and felonies, she was denied pain medication-- she was forced to find relief thru illegal means and eventually became addicted--again. At one point she was hospitalized where she received a new spinal treatment that gave her a wonderful relief from the pain for a while. I guess you could say she was in a state of ecstasy. Being pain free for the first time in years.... she recorded what was to be her last (unreleased) album. In a burst of creative genius, she recorded ALL eight tracks in one day in a church...in something like eight hours.
Unfortunately, the drugs finally took over and she died of an overdose in '79 at the age of 35
Here's a live version of "Jesus Was A Cross Maker"...recorded at USC and included as a QT video with her last album that was finally released a couple yeas ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3p0mqUTGtY
 A great song ...eh, rocker?!!
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kdion11
Old Love
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Posted - 02/09/2009 : 20:15:09
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[quote]Originally posted by lemonade kid
Free the rest of the songs of the OGWT performance BBC on video!!
KD: Get your own one liners !
Keith "I'll be here all week folks........" D
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rocker
Old Love
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Posted - 02/09/2009 : 21:23:22
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lk very good!... I think her song is so unqiue. Who ever talked about Christ then? And I think the only one who I remmeber bringing in a religious motif in song was brian wilson's "God Only Knows" which is I think one of the greatest songs of rock. When I heard the Hollies version I was kind of stunned because they used "Jesus" in the title and the osng was real good. Wha? Religion in rock????? Sill ..maybe the founder of Christian rock?????.... |
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