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John9
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Posted - 28/11/2008 :  11:39:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you click on today's page for Radio 4's Today programme you can hear a short but fascinating and moving piece about the real Eleanor Rigby. You need to scroll down to 08.25:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7753000/7753799.stm

It is interesting that their have been different stories about this little mystery - including the ones involving the city of Bristol and the actress Eleanor Bron. And in a 1971 interview, John Lennon claimed to have written "a good half of the lyrics for Eleanor Rigby". In Philip Norman's new biography of Lennon it states that it was indeed John who as a child saw the names from the song in a Liverpool churchyard.

Edited by - John9 on 28/11/2008 11:48:12

lemonade kid
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Posted - 28/11/2008 :  20:52:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by John9

If you click on today's page for Radio 4's Today programme you can hear a short but fascinating and moving piece about the real Eleanor Rigby. You need to scroll down to 08.25:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7753000/7753799.stm

It is interesting that their have been different stories about this little mystery - including the ones involving the city of Bristol and the actress Eleanor Bron. And in a 1971 interview, John Lennon claimed to have written "a good half of the lyrics for Eleanor Rigby". In Philip Norman's new biography of Lennon it states that it was indeed John who as a child saw the names from the song in a Liverpool churchyard.

Right. I think it was the only Beatles song that has lyrics contributed by each Beatle. John and Paul were both aware of the headstones of Eleanor Rigby & Father McKenzie, which stood only yards from each other, as they used to sunbathe in the churchyard together near those stones (which is within "earshot of where they first met.").

I think that when John & Paul collaborated on a song, which they often did, the role of major contributor to a particular song, can become blurred with time & colored by whomever is recalling the event.....maybe?

Below (link) is an interesting write-up of the development of the tune McCartney roughed out on the piano to the only words in his head....."Daisy Hawkins picks up the rice in the church."
The idea that Paul has maintained that Eleanor was a fictitious character may be taken out of context in that the song's "story line" is fictitious, even though the person of Eleanor Rigby did exist...which Paul was aware of.

"Father McCartney" was changed at the last minute when it was suggested that people would think the song was about Paul's father.

Lennon was quoted in 1980 as saying, "Eleanor Rigby was Paul's baby, & I helped with the education of the child." Vintage Lennon.......love that guy!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_Rigby

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Edited by - lemonade kid on 28/11/2008 21:42:54
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