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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 04/11/2008 : 15:08:52
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| By the way, people are allowed to move on in their tastes without being accused of being a hypocrite. John Peel, for example moved on from bands he had liked when other stuff came along that excited him more. If you ever listened to his shows in the late 70's and 80's, however, you would have found he still played plenty of older stuff that did still excite him. No one is saying new is good and bad is not, it's all about being subjective. What I am saying, and have said many times, is that great music has come from all eras and is still being produced today, it's as simple as that. |
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rocker
Old Love
USA
3606 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2008 : 17:29:01
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| "..being subjective.....right and music is absolutely so..it gets to the gut. I'm not English but I'd think Vera's song "We'll Meet Again" might not be the greatest song in the world but it could be for some the Englishmen and women. |
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boombox
Old Love
United Kingdom
548 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2008 : 17:50:42
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Originally posted by caryne
great music has come from all eras and is still being produced today, it's as simple as that.
At least on that we can agree.
Thanks to all on the thread today for the discussion - made a particularly bitty day at work much better. :) |
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John9
Old Love
United Kingdom
2154 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2008 : 20:43:10
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Yes - much as we all love to debate.....and just occasionally disagree, I have always found the discussions we have here to be of the very best - and so, sincere thanks to Torben for enabling it all to happen. |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
USA
9873 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2008 : 21:46:17
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Originally posted by caryne
The thing is, John, the majority of 'young' bands today only exist because of the 'punk' movement, many of them cite punk/indie bands of the late 70's/early 80's as influences, I have never heard any cite a 'prog' band. I don't expect you read the 'NME', I do, so I see what these young artists are saying.
Personally, I don't care what anyone likes, if it gives you pleasure then that is great, however, I do get so tired with people harping on about The Beatles when there were so many great bands in the 60's, and other eras, that get ignored.
Surely you don't mean me, caryne?!  
I don't think any one here ignores all the other great talents of the 60's and on. The Beatles just enjoy their rightful place at the top, with other great 60's artists---Stones, Love, Animals,Yardbirds, Byrds, Kinks, Traffic, Fairport Convention.......
But (to address the influence of 70's punk on today's artists), conversely, the 70's & 80's punk/indie bands would NOT exist if it hadn't been for the 60's garage / punk "originators" and they will gladly admit to it & credit their 60's heroes. As will the 60's early garage/punk artists give homage to their early blues & rock heroes. Everything we have we have from our past and what we choose to make our own, but it is the truly gifted artists, whether it be Picasso, or Beethoven or Arthur Lee or John Lenon or Iggy, (who gladly admit their influences..including the Beatles, Stones, etc.....so you're not giving us "Beatle lovers" anything new to chew on)...... it's those who assimilate their admitted musical inspirations, and are then able make those influences uniquely their own.
I think the Clash are great, and Iggy, and Talking Heads especially are a fave, but much of what we take for granted as punk, glam, grunge and noise rock would not exist if not for The Velvet Underground & Nico....VU & Nico was the "most prophetic album ever made". So it has been written, 70's & 80's music to follow would not exist if not for 60's groundbreakers......all historical accounts point this out....fact....end of discussion. Let's give credit where credit is due. Stones were ground breakers blending raw blues & rock. Beatles blended early rock, folk, rhythm and blues, and classical sensibilities to create music that still influence much of music today. The White album has so many styles it boggles the mind...grunge/punk, noise, folk, rock, metal.
I find much of the punk/grunge/noise/electronic/metal music ever recorded unlistenable, but I'm unaffected, because I DON'T listen to it---- but I don't deny its merits or genius---and I've given it a chance.
Whether it's jealousy or tin ear or intolerance, this hatred for the Beatles is rather unsettling. Hey, let it go, their influence & talent (& fame) is undeniable. So someone doesn't care for the Beatles ...... don't listen to them. They're still extremely talented and immeasurably influential & there's nothing you can do about it. .....all we are saying.....give peace & LoVE a chance. 
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Edited by - lemonade kid on 04/11/2008 22:23:08 |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
USA
9873 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2008 : 22:21:26
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Ok. It's my Birthday today 
...so I'm swearing off any politically/musically charged discussions. I think I've said all I can about the Beatles and I 'd be the first to say (about the endless Beatle repackaging and reissues) .... enough is enough!!!  I don't own any and never will. I have my original first presses. I'm happy.
Let's make up, caryne.
Go Obama!! Oops!
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markk
Old Love
USA
803 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2008 : 23:02:37
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| Kid, some friendly advice, which you probably realize. You have been baited, hooked and roped in for gutting. The thing to do is not play, let it go. I can't stay silent any longer. |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
USA
9873 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2008 : 21:21:11
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Originally posted by markk
Kid, some friendly advice, which you probably realize. You have been baited, hooked and roped in for gutting. The thing to do is not play, let it go. I can't stay silent any longer.
I know.  But, I 'm having fun. But even I am finally tired of the game.
We're moving on. I'm easy prey on some subjects, but we DO have fun here! Thanks, mk, you're a pal for caring!
Some things just get me going....but as I just said in another thread, time to move on. 
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
1520 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2008 : 23:56:29
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Originally posted by markk
Kid, some friendly advice, which you probably realize. You have been baited, hooked and roped in for gutting. The thing to do is not play, let it go. I can't stay silent any longer.
No, he hasn't. I am stating my opinions and views and lk is stating his there is no baiting here, just friendly disagreement. I do take offence at the accusation of baiting as it's just not true. |
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
1520 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2008 : 23:58:59
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Originally posted by lemonade kid
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Originally posted by caryne
The thing is, John, the majority of 'young' bands today only exist because of the 'punk' movement, many of them cite punk/indie bands of the late 70's/early 80's as influences, I have never heard any cite a 'prog' band. I don't expect you read the 'NME', I do, so I see what these young artists are saying.
Personally, I don't care what anyone likes, if it gives you pleasure then that is great, however, I do get so tired with people harping on about The Beatles when there were so many great bands in the 60's, and other eras, that get ignored.
Surely you don't mean me, caryne?!
I don't think any one here ignores all the other great talents of the 60's and on. The Beatles just enjoy their rightful place at the top, with other great 60's artists---Stones, Love, Animals,Yardbirds, Byrds, Kinks, Traffic, Fairport Convention.......
But (to address the influence of 70's punk on today's artists), conversely, the 70's & 80's punk/indie bands would NOT exist if it hadn't been for the 60's garage / punk "originators" and they will gladly admit to it & credit their 60's heroes. As will the 60's early garage/punk artists give homage to their early blues & rock heroes. Everything we have we have from our past and what we choose to make our own, but it is the truly gifted artists, whether it be Picasso, or Beethoven or Arthur Lee or John Lenon or Iggy, (who gladly admit their influences..including the Beatles, Stones, etc.....so you're not giving us "Beatle lovers" anything new to chew on)...... it's those who assimilate their admitted musical inspirations, and are then able make those influences uniquely their own.
I think the Clash are great, and Iggy, and Talking Heads especially are a fave, but much of what we take for granted as punk, glam, grunge and noise rock would not exist if not for The Velvet Underground & Nico....VU & Nico was the "most prophetic album ever made". So it has been written, 70's & 80's music to follow would not exist if not for 60's groundbreakers......all historical accounts point this out....fact....end of discussion. Let's give credit where credit is due. Stones were ground breakers blending raw blues & rock. Beatles blended early rock, folk, rhythm and blues, and classical sensibilities to create music that still influence much of music today. The White album has so many styles it boggles the mind...grunge/punk, noise, folk, rock, metal.
I find much of the punk/grunge/noise/electronic/metal music ever recorded unlistenable, but I'm unaffected, because I DON'T listen to it---- but I don't deny its merits or genius---and I've given it a chance.
Whether it's jealousy or tin ear or intolerance, this hatred for the Beatles is rather unsettling. Hey, let it go, their influence & talent (& fame) is undeniable. So someone doesn't care for the Beatles ...... don't listen to them. They're still extremely talented and immeasurably influential & there's nothing you can do about it. .....all we are saying.....give peace & LoVE a chance.
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Harvey & I warm ourselves in these golden moments.
We came as strangers - soon we have friends. ---Elwood P Dowd
I totally agree with you that punk of the 70's owes everything to the garage music of the 60's (which I also love) but that is my point. All music (including The Beatles) owes much to that which has gone before, music develops and grows and that is why, to me, it is, and always will be vital and interesting. |
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MikeP
Fifth Love
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 01:20:30
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| Totally agree, Caryne. The band thats probably affected/ opened my ears the most, Can, although often described by people as making music like no-one else, themselves readily acknowleged their debt to the Velvets and early Floyd - as did Arthur, in the case of the latter.. but what different sounding end results, eh? Everybody's got their roots. |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
USA
9873 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2008 : 05:01:12
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Originally posted by caryne
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Originally posted by markk
Kid, some friendly advice, which you probably realize. You have been baited, hooked and roped in for gutting. The thing to do is not play, let it go. I can't stay silent any longer.
No, he hasn't. I am stating my opinions and views and lk is stating his there is no baiting here, just friendly disagreement. I do take offence at the accusation of baiting as it's just not true.
Haven't enjoyed music discussions/debates so much in quite a while. Any time, caryne.
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ed the bear
Fourth Love
USA
215 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2008 : 06:14:06
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You people surprise me. You speak as if there might have been bands other than the Byrds. Who knew? |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
USA
9873 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2008 : 06:57:24
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Originally posted by ed the bear
You people surprise me. You speak as if there might have been bands other than the Byrds. Who knew?
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
1520 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2008 : 11:00:06
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Originally posted by lemonade kid
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Originally posted by caryne
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Originally posted by markk
Kid, some friendly advice, which you probably realize. You have been baited, hooked and roped in for gutting. The thing to do is not play, let it go. I can't stay silent any longer.
No, he hasn't. I am stating my opinions and views and lk is stating his there is no baiting here, just friendly disagreement. I do take offence at the accusation of baiting as it's just not true.
Haven't enjoyed music discussions/debates so much in quite a while. Any time, caryne.
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Harvey & I warm ourselves in these golden moments.
We came as strangers - soon we have friends. ---Elwood P Dowd
Thanks lk, I do take umbrage at being accused of baiting by someone ideas and opinions. |
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Share your all-time favorite BANDS......
