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| Joe Morris |
Posted - 24/01/2010 : 05:06:30
maybe people are reading too much into the lyrics on the album?
a lot of Arthurs writing seems off the cuff:
In the morning we arise and start the day the same old way
As yesterday the day before and all in all its just a day like
All the rest so do your best with
Chewing gum & it is oh so repetitious
Waiting on the sun
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| rocker |
Posted - 04/02/2010 : 14:17:44
ok lk watch it clearing trees so you won't have to do the Mudbloodgray experiment, eh?!! We can't lose you!... ...
Maybe easier? Get some nice sticky mud and mix in a tub with tomatoes. Make sure the tomatoes are Heinz kid!... |
| lemonade kid |
Posted - 03/02/2010 : 21:25:35
And "...Or Between Clark and Hilldale"...I remember the first time I heard it. I kept
filling in the the pause between verses, anticipating the the word that might come linking them.
I still do...such a fun, upbeat time for Arthur and Love when they
ruled the strip!
Great word-play, Arthur! I was at Wiki searching the Forever Changes
entry. Holy crap! Someone needs to add to this pathetic entry.
It should be at least as long as the Sgt Peppers background recording
write-up!
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| Joe Morris |
Posted - 03/02/2010 : 16:58:31
I remember reading on the insert with the live Forever Changes concert dvd, the one with the track commentary (bought it at a Love show in Brooklyn at the Warsaw)
and was just blown away
Okay, we all know that (according to Arthur) Arthur added the 'or' bit to the title of Bryans Alone again or
but the whole thing about the blood mixing with mud.. that was out of left field |
| TJSAbass |
Posted - 03/02/2010 : 04:29:22
Literal enough for Feb., where I live!
Also wanted to point out, Johnny told the story of the Vietnam vet on the Freedom Man website.
http://www.thefreedomman.com/love/johnnymain.htm |
| Joe Morris |
Posted - 03/02/2010 : 00:44:54
Bob Dylan: "The sun ain't yellow, its chicken"
Call to discuss  |
| lemonade kid |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 20:48:34
quote:
Originally posted by Joe Morris
go turn on your tub Scott !
Now that would scare me....I've had my septic back up in the bathtub drain while showering...gross enough!!
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| Joe Morris |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 20:36:10
go turn on your tub Scott ! |
| lemonade kid |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 16:03:03
quote:
Originally posted by rocker
gatemouth...
I've noticed that in your interpretation of the lyrics 9which i've alsy thought to be fablously put) you bring a very personal approach to them. Thanks.
Re: mud and blood and gray..not sure about this but a hwile back I came across a ref to this. Isn't that the actual color palette which occurs when you mix mud with blood? Obviously you don't see this perhaps in real life but in war and battle it stares you in the face. We're talking big reality there I think from Arthur's lyric.
Next time I cut myself working outside, clearing trees, I'll mix my blood in the mud to see what we get...though I have no doubt it will be gray!
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| rocker |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 14:30:35
And I'd say really Arthur was a prophet....the news back then are the movies of today..he was right on........ |
| rocker |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 14:28:34
gatemouth...
I've noticed that in your interpretation of the lyrics 9which i've alsy thought to be fablously put) you bring a very personal approach to them. Thanks.
Re: mud and blood and gray..not sure about this but a hwile back I came across a ref to this. Isn't that the actual color palette which occurs when you mix mud with blood? Obviously you don't see this perhaps in real life but in war and battle it stares you in the face. We're talking big reality there I think from Arthur's lyric. |
| TJSAbass |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 05:55:58
Joe, this WAS the psychedelic era- songwriters were quite likely to jump from literal to figurative to who-knows-where, all within one line! Jim Morrison, for example? Bob Dylan? That was the magic of the times, making inspired leaps and seeing if anyone can follow. Throw it out there, unconscious creation. It's fun to discuss, but I don't know that trying to hem a song in to one literal meaning is going to work. I always heard "bible" in the fireplace, myself, fwiw. |
| Joe Morris |
Posted - 01/02/2010 : 21:40:52
uh, the information of the meeting with the vet only came out recently. I think theres a first mention of it with the commentary on the live Love Forever Changes concert
as I said, the songs so obscure
"At my house I've got no shackles - you can come and look if you want to"
now, thats probably a reference to the Castle, where everyone would be heading if they were in town, especially the bands
"In the halls you'll see the mantles
Where the light shines dim all around you"
Okay - we're still in the house, right?
"And the streets are paved with gold and if
Someone asks you, you can call my name"
I don't know - this is where its starting to go off - no idea what the reference is to gold - why pave the streets with gold?
"You are just a thought that someone
Somewhere somehow feels you should be here
And it's so for real to touch
To smell, to feel, to know where you are here"
Not sure what hes on about here - maybe its about the sound of the words to the rhythm? I don't think any of these lyrics really MEAN anything. What is he trying to say?
By the time that I'm through singing
The bells from the schools of walls" (wars? it sounds like walls tho)
will be ringing"
"More confusions, blood transfusions"
Okay - why the mention to the blood? don't get Arthur here
"The news today will be the movies for tomorrow"
Interesting - reminds me of the cover of Real to Reel for some reason. Whether it means anything..
"And the water's turned to blood, and if
You don't think so
Go turn on your tub
And it it's mixed with mud
You'll see it turn to gray"
Why would blood be mixed with mud in the tub?
Surely Arthur had trouble when first moving into the Castle with the pipes - I remember an interview with either Echols or Arthur where there was all this gunk coming from the faucets there?
maybe its one of Love Storys dvd extras (interviews)
"And you can call my name
I hear you call my name"
Why would anyone be calling Arthur at this juncture?
obscure obscure track - great great backing track though - who CARES about the lyrics when the music is this great? |
| lemonade kid |
Posted - 01/02/2010 : 20:18:25
quote:
Originally posted by kdion11
quote:
Originally posted by jayson_valentine
The title of the song is a euphemism meaning that one's home should not house strangers. Arthur was boldly stating the US shouldn't be in Veitnam. It has nothing to do with The Castle.
KD: And it's still a direct reference to the Burt Bacharach /
Hal David current (then) hit "A House Is Not A Home".
Free the hits !
Right, KD. That is the story. The title is what you said.
The song is also not up for debate as Arthur and Johnny both
relate the story of the Viet vet.
Although Arthur would have us make each song our own...
that is what art is all about.
What the title means in relation to the lyrics is up to us to decide.
Arthur Loved to name songs which had no reference to the title in the lyrics!
I really think the title was just a nod and a sly wink to Bacharach.
With lyrics that said to Burt, this ain't no top 40 song like
you compose, Mr. Bacharach.
It's more of a flip of the bird than a tip of the hat!!
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| kdion11 |
Posted - 01/02/2010 : 17:50:43
quote:
Originally posted by jayson_valentine
The title of the song is a euphemism meaning that one's home should not house strangers. Arthur was boldly stating the US shouldn't be in Veitnam. It has nothing to do with The Castle.
KD: And it's still a direct reference to the Burt Bacharach /
Hal David current (then) hit "A House Is Not A Home".
Free the hits ! |
| Joe Morris |
Posted - 31/01/2010 : 04:01:08
I don't know - "House is not a motel" lyrically is so obscure it can mean anything - war, the house where Arthur lived with the rest of the band for a time (dunno if Michael lived there when he joined during da capo, but the other band members - including Conka - seem to have lived there for a time
The music is the strongest part of that song. Took me years before I heard the lyrics - Arthur seems to be interested in the sound of the words particularly
how else do you explain
"Do your best with chewing gum"
in another song with a driving beat, "The Daily Planet"
People probably read too much into Arthurs lyrics on the album. I mean, "Oh the snot has caked against my pants" - well, thats unusual!
Hard to fault any of the songs though - it took me years to care enough to learn the lyrics for "Bummer in the summer" (another case of the title not being in the song!)
Way ahead of its time - its like rap 20 years early..
Words to fill in the meter
I'm assuming thats Arthur on piano on "Bummer" - I don't think he would play piano again on an album again until "Many rivers to cross" unless I'm forgetting something on Out Here
Arthur seems to have been dreaming his songs at this point.
heck! even the solo for "A house is not a motel"!
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