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| Susan B. |
Posted - 03/10/2004 : 23:05:40
I just read that the State of New York may parole Mark Chapman the killer of John Lennon on Tuesday or Wednesday. I think this is an atrocity. Arthur gets 6 years for doing nothing and they are going to free the man who killed one of the greatest musical geniuses after 24 years. Please sign the petition to keepm him locked up at: http://www.petitiononline.com/rem128/petition.html
Thank you so much |
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| otis robb |
Posted - 12/10/2004 : 23:57:11
Wanted to bring up a fact about Mr. Lennon. Very tight with his money. As for the Anysley Dubbar reference, he was in the Zappa/Mothers configuration in the early 70's In fact Lennon/Yoko came to infamous Fillmore East June 1971 show(second night- and were horrible by the way, but not the point). Anyhow, Mr. Dunbar was in the musician's union here and just wanted his usual fee for being on the live session. When he asked Lennon, his reply was to go '**** himself!!!!' As Anysely put, and with all the money the LENNONS have. Wasnt it that When he and Cynthia divorced, she only got some 'pocket change' of $50,000, which may seem like a lot but considered the Fab Fours Success? As Julian Cope, 'Don't Call Me Mark Chapman.' Peace till the next... |
| Susan B. |
Posted - 12/10/2004 : 18:50:56
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Originally posted by gordo
first of all it's unlikely parole will be granted due to the number of death threats against him
secondly, I never knew that sentences for murder depend on whether the person you kill is famous?
whether 24 years is long enough a sentence for murder is another matter.
But I for one am not prepared to sign a petition that effectively is calling for somebody to be denied their freedom on the grounds their victim was famous.
If it was a petition calling for consistant sentencing of convicted criminals regardless of colour, nationality or wealth, that might be worth signing, but I guess nobody else would be interested because the average victim of crime doesn't make great music.
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| otis robb |
Posted - 12/10/2004 : 02:46:08
Dont Call Me Mark Chapman - Julian Cope on his 'Autogeddon' LP of some time ago 1994(any Teardrop Explodes fans out there) referenced our 'famed friend'. Visionary? Very Possible. But any thing Julian is quite so. Even if not mistaken, I believe on his website he has dedicated some space to reviewing some Love/Arthur Lee things.
Peace till the next..... |
| Ben |
Posted - 08/10/2004 : 20:02:26
Does anyone know if there's a petition to keep Mark Thatcher locked up? I'd definitely sign that one! |
| gordo |
Posted - 07/10/2004 : 14:01:44
well, his parole got turned down and you can be sure that nobody saw any online petition when making the decision
I'm not sure that letting Julia Baird (my old french teacher and John Lennon's half sister) plea for him to be kept behind bars for his own safety, is really a sane method of contributing the parole process.
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| Susan B. |
Posted - 06/10/2004 : 01:43:04
I guess it is just like the U.S. elections coming up. |
| gordo |
Posted - 05/10/2004 : 11:22:02
Why is the petition not calling for the people making the decision to make an honest judgement based on the information presented to them? Let's face it they'll have a wider selection of first hand information rather than just a collection of second and third hand information that 99.9% of the people signing the petition have access to.
If any petition, unlikely as it is, sways the decision of the parole hearing one way or the other it brings the justice system into disrepute because at that point any pretence of honesty in the procedings has gone. |
| ocfan |
Posted - 04/10/2004 : 21:41:49
I would happily sign a petition for any murderer to not be released if I felt would be a threat to society.
This has nothing to do with John Lennon except it is true it gets publicity that other victims are not afforded.
All victims families have the right to petition the court when they feel that someone still would be a threat to society and I think Chapman would. To not sign the petition because John Lennon was the victim is strange. It should or should not be signed on it's merits alone.
Each case should be determined by the expectation of being a continuing threat to society. In Chapman's case, I think he is a continuing threat.
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| caryl |
Posted - 04/10/2004 : 17:33:44
I hope he NEVER gets parole!!! |
| LarryNYC |
Posted - 04/10/2004 : 15:33:08
Sadly you are right that non celebrity cases dont get the exposure they deserve and thus there would be no petition.However as this case has had plenty of publicity you have a somewhat informed choice wether to sign or not. I cannot answer for others but my reason for signing has nothing to do with vindictiveness.I believe Chapman will jump on some quasi religeous bandwagon and spout his views in public, this would not only a danger to himself but innocent bystanders too. We are all entitled to our views.
Newspapers dont always tell the whole truth ?? Well I never |
| gordo |
Posted - 04/10/2004 : 15:00:25
If it wasn't the man who murdered John Lennon would you be signing a petition calling for parole to be denied?
If indeed the decision should be based on expert opinion, in what way does signing a petition contribute to that process?
Incidentally, newspapers sometimes print one sided articles that don't give you the whole picture, suprisingly enough. |
| LarryNYC |
Posted - 04/10/2004 : 14:34:19
I read a piece the other day, think it was NY Times, saying Chapman is still seeking fame and recognition his warped ego has not diminished. This is why I was happy to sign the petition, it has nothing to do with the victim being famous.He has served his time and quite rightly is up for parole but his mental state has to be carefully considered, there are indications that he may still pose a threat to society.If on the other hand expert opinion deems that he is fully rehabilitated then thats another matter entirely. |
| Ben |
Posted - 04/10/2004 : 12:57:43
Good post Gordo.
There's an informed discussion I've found at
http://www.courttv.com/talk/chat_transcripts/deathofabeatle.html
Whilst this is mostly "pro" Mark Chapman I'd be interested to read the obverse of the coin if anyone has any examples. |
| gordo |
Posted - 04/10/2004 : 12:54:45
first of all it's unlikely parole will be granted due to the number of death threats against him
secondly, I never knew that sentences for murder depend on whether the person you kill is famous?
whether 24 years is long enough a sentence for murder is another matter.
But I for one am not prepared to sign a petition that effectively is calling for somebody to be denied their freedom on the grounds their victim was famous.
If it was a petition calling for consistant sentencing of convicted criminals regardless of colour, nationality or wealth, that might be worth signing, but I guess nobody else would be interested because the average victim of crime doesn't make great music. |
| Allan |
Posted - 04/10/2004 : 12:53:36
Done as well. I echo Larry...everyone pleaae sign |
