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Ben
Third Love
United Kingdom
58 Posts |
 Posted - 16/09/2004 : 10:57:02
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| Just heard that Johnny Ramone's dead of cancer aged 55. What a sad,sad day. |
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jim
Third Love
United Kingdom
90 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2004 : 11:52:14
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| a very sad day indeed.peace & love ,jim. |
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Fingaz
Third Love
Ireland
53 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2004 : 13:33:25
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| Yeah, sad day indeed. Johnny, you'll be missed. |
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
1520 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2004 : 16:15:40
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| It's sad but I did kind of lose all faith in him when he did that 'God Bless George Bush' thing when inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame....sorry but it just wasn't right for him to be a Republican. |
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bigrubberglove
Fourth Love
188 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2004 : 17:33:44
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Zeig Heil Caryne.
Since when are not musicians not allowed to be Republicans?
"sorry but it just wasn't right for him to be a Republican."
It wasn't RIGHT?
I am a diehard Democrat and even marched against Bush in New York last month, but anyone on this earth can believe what they want. Who are YOU of all people to say this? Do you realize that you yourself are acting like a fascist. As much as I hated Johnny's politics I respect the man as a musician and admire his courage to associate himself with Republicans when there is so pressure not to within the musical community.
Here are caryne's comments:
"It's sad but I did kind of lose all faith in him when he did that 'God Bless George Bush' thing when inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame....sorry but it just wasn't right for him to be a Republican." |
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
1520 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2004 : 19:26:39
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| Sorry, I don't really think you got the tone of my message (as is often the case when people write stuff and others don't know them) What I meant is The Ramones were a punk band, punk was all about rebellion...being a Republican definitely is not...my comment was just that I felt it seemed odd/weird or whatever you want to call it for an old punk to be a Republican, speaking as an 'old punk' myself! lol Sorry, if you misunderstood me. But I still stand by my view that when I realised he was a Republican I lost all respect for him...course people can be free to believe what they want and I, as we all are, am free to disagree with them. |
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bigrubberglove
Fourth Love
188 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2004 : 20:14:27
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Caryne, you were and continue to be abundantly clear.
You wrote:
"What I meant is The Ramones were a punk band, punk was all about rebellion...being a Republican definitely is not"
First off, though punk had the trappings of rebellion it ultimately was about doing things yourself and in your own style. Intrinsic to the punk ideal is tolerance -- something you obviously do not have since in your rigid world ALL punk rockers MUST be democrats or else...
"But I still stand by my view that when I realised he was a Republican I lost all respect for him"
What if your mother was a Republican, would you lose ALL respect for her?
Your simplistic, heavy handed and hard-headed deductions are painful to bear witness to.
I personally loathe the politics of Johnny but that doesn't make him as a human being or his music illegitimate. And Arthur has done many bad things to people but we still celebrate his art.
Open your mind Caryne. If anything your extreme mental conformism has the smackings of hardline conservatives who all too often see the world in black and white.
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steve64
Fifth Love
United Kingdom
344 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2004 : 21:18:53
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R.I.P. Johnny Ramone  first Joey then Dee Dee and now Johnny! he was a fan of LOVE too! the Ramones did a cover of 7 and 7 is on their 'Acid Eaters' album  http://www.ramones.com
hey ho! lets go! |
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LarryNYC
Fifth Love
USA
310 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2004 : 23:45:55
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| keep politics and God off these boards is what I say, there is nothing more divisive. |
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andyl
First Love
United Kingdom
22 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2004 : 08:48:52
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| i wouldnt get upset rubberglove,,,,,,,,she just cant help herself |
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
1520 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2004 : 08:52:54
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Yes, if my mother was a republican I would lose all respect for her politics, I would still love her, as my Mother but would not repect her views.
Bigrubberglove...I think we'll agree to differ, you have an american view of these things, including the view of punk (I view The Clash as the ultimate punk band and I know where they stood on this) and it's different to the British one, so let's agree to differ.
As for Andy L...well, there's not point with some people is there?
PS Meant to add to BRG as my Mother's family is jewish (though I am an atheist) I do find your nazi comments just a tad tasteless.
As for my politics, as I am British I am neither Republican or Demoncrat, in fact, from here, it is often hard to see much difference in either....but I can assure you I am certainly not on the right..having spent my entire adult life campaigning, through various, organsiations for the rights of the downtrodden in our societies...something, sadly, I cannot see many Republicans doing! |
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ocfan
Fourth Love
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2004 : 10:13:49
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| Agree with Larry and Andy. Both politics and religion are fiery topics. I do feel, that we as Americans celebrate the right to disagree. However, Caryne, I am of English heritage (first generation on my Dad's side) and we were raised to have tolerance. America is not perfect but we are the land of the free.Even though I am not a republican, (independent), there are good and bad sides to all parties. They are all pretty well bought and paid for by the time they reach that high of an office. Intolerance for a greaat musician because he doesn't agree with you politically or any other way is the worst intolerance of all. All intolerance is "tasteless". I find your posts fascinating, to say the "least" |
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Ben
Third Love
United Kingdom
58 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2004 : 10:43:09
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| I personally think that on a thread like this where someone has just died it's a really good idea to write your message as if the deceased's family might read it. |
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
1520 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2004 : 11:41:54
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Originally posted by Ben
I personally think that on a thread like this where someone has just died it's a really good idea to write your message as if the deceased's family might read it.
How I feel if a person has dodgy views they don't become less dodgy just because they died...to take that to an extreme...was Hitler or Stalin more lovable when dead? As for tolerance...it's a tricky one...no, I am afraid I will never be tolerant of racism, sexism, homophobia and the downright unfairness to the majority of the world that those who are on the right believe is ok..they are not concerned about 'ordinary' people and I will not be concerned about them or their feelings. Call that narrow minded if you like but, as a life-long socialist (sorry I know that's a dirty word to most americans) I fight for those that deserve it not those that don't. |
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gordo
Third Love
United Kingdom
91 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2004 : 14:50:49
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"America is not perfect but we are the land of the free"
as McCarthyism showed us all
this ain't the place for these sort of arguments, but this one is:
www.talk.guardian.co.uk especially the International threads |
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markk
Old Love
USA
803 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2004 : 15:07:05
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| It seems, everytime there is a controversial thread one person is at the heart of it. Caryne the only thing you seem to be fighting for is yourself. Your Anti-American viewpoints and comments are extremely offensive. Drop it and let's stick to the music. |
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The End Of The Century
