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John9
Old Love
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 01/09/2008 : 17:36:49
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Four Sail would definitely be in my top 50 - and in my book, Arthur Lee had every right to continue the Love name after 1968. He was after all, the only member from the original band who had the drive, vision and prolific songwriting ability to maintain the challenge. Forever Changes is not only the title of Love's greatest work - it also aptly sums up the whole Love mythos. |
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Joe Morris
Old Love
3492 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2008 : 18:21:06
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Is Echols still playing? with or without Baby Lemonade?
More to the point, is he finishing Gethsemene?!!? |
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
1520 Posts |
Posted - 01/09/2008 : 19:46:03
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Johnny Echols is not playing with anyone at the moment, to the best of my knowledge, but who knows what might happen in the future...
As for 'Gethsemene', there was talk some time ago about Johnny finishing it (it was 'his album' so I recall him saying) but all seems to have gone quiet on that front at the moment.
Johnny does have his own MySpace page,
http://www.myspace.com/johnnyechols
but it doesn't say an awful lot
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Joe Morris
Old Love
3492 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2008 : 06:25:49
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caryne
Old Love
United Kingdom
1520 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2008 : 11:25:45
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| Well, is there a problem with that? The tour is called 'A Celebration of the Music of Arthur Lee and Love' after all, it would be a bit odd if the tour didn't feature a lot of 'Love' songs!! |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
USA
9876 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2008 : 03:44:37
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Originally posted by John9
For me 'Out Here' is the last one that is truly worthy of Love's name - although as with many double albums, it would probably have made a far better single release. The really good songs on the album are in my book, up there with Arthur's very best. Although I've always had an affection for 'False Start', the objective side of me recognises that its minimalist titles and lyrics put it well behind 'Four Sail' and 'Out Here' in quality. And as for 'Vindicator' - well after 35 years I have now finally given up on trying to like that one. I think that David Angel had it right when he said in 'Love Story' that he believed that certain people were destined to do a particular thing at a particular time - and after that their time has gone. From 1966-69, I believe that Arthur was one of the most creative and formidable talents in popular music. I am just thankful that he got a chance to relive all that so gloriously towards the end of his life.
Have given "False Start" some listens & I must say that it is a fine LP (well Slick Dick is.....
not so much...the guitar riff is good, though), but I see why it has a place in your heart, J9.
I've just started to listen to Out Here & I like it. No real problem getting into it. I guess I just
enjoy hearing Arthur's voice...in whatever context....even in weaker Love material.
Can't say that I'll try very hard to collect any other of Arthur's work now that I have all the
original Love vinyl (don't care about compilations), unless one falls in my lap.
And I have no problem with Arthur calling any line up "Love"...hey, it's his baby and you
gotta love your baby...."a face only papa could love"? I like 'em all too. Then there's the favorite child........FC. 
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Now I see that in my vision
That my eyes are seeing twice
Once for every expectation & once for what I realize.........G.C.
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John9
Old Love
United Kingdom
2154 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2008 : 12:20:32
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Hi Lemonadekid - I'm glad you like False Start. It came out here in early '71 on EMI's Harvest label just as I was picking up on the group. Although no one could seriously claim that it is a masterpiece, I was always really impressed with its diamond-sharp sound. The following review is the most thorough and balanced I have ever seen - although I was a little startled to read the contention that Ride That Vibration is in fact, the album's You Set The Scene!
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:l9txlfje5cqi
You're absolutley right about the Love name - Love will always be wherever Arthur Lee and his magnificent legacy are.
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Joe Morris
Old Love
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kdion11
Old Love
USA
552 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2008 : 20:05:01
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Originally posted by Joe Morris
Christgau really liked the first side - I think that was his favorite Love side
Of course he hated Revelation!
http://robertchristgau.com/get_artist2.php?id=841
KD: Christgau is a joke ! He referred to Jimi Hendrix as a
Psychedelic Uncle Tom after seeing him at Monterrey, and said
Are You Experienced was a "weak" effort !
What a dick !
Free the idiots ! (from us !) |
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myoungish
Fifth Love
USA
264 Posts |
Posted - 15/09/2008 : 02:10:19
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Christgau is unbelievable, eh? His rating system has always been baffling. I mean, he gave EMINEM(!) a higher rating than ARE YOU EXPERIENCED!! So he's actually getting payed to say that My Name Is Slim Shady and Cleaning Out My Closet is better than The Wind Cries Mary and Purple Haze and Manic Depression! Astounding! And I won't even begin to rant about his Hendrix as Uncle Tom remark.
Michael Young |
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Joe Morris
Old Love
3492 Posts |
Posted - 15/09/2008 : 08:06:00
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His reviews of Real to Reels a lot of fun tho!
Reel to Real [RSO, 1974]
On side one the Jimi Hendrix tribute of (Arthur Lee's) Vindicator gives way to an Otis Redding, from simple songs to rhythmic gutturals, although Lee the ironic popmeister sticks his head in twice, which makes the naive optimism of "With a Little Energy" seem a little less one-dimensional. Different Lees contend for side two--Otis, Jimi, Arthur, the weirdo who thought of "Singing Cowboy," and sewer designer William DeVaughn, whose top-five hit from earlier this year Lee has the audacity to cover. Be thankful for what you've got indeed. B+
I'm surprised he liked Under the Red Sky though. I think thats even worse than Down in the Groove (although both are too bland for Dylan)
Way too harsh on Self Portrait as well - thats a definite B-! (whatever that means!) And Dylan (from 1973) doesn't deserve an E!
The whole grading system is stupid of course. Kinda reminds me of when Homer Simpson was a gourmand critic and giving food reviews of seven thumbs up!
Homer: Your cooking gets my lowest rating ever: seven thumbs up. It only has two moves: shake and bake.
Marge: You like Shake 'n' Bake! You used to put it in your coffee
The Grades
An A+ record is an organically conceived masterpiece that repays prolonged listening with new excitement and insight. It is unlikely to be marred by more than one merely ordinary cut.
An A is a great record both of whose sides offer enduring pleasure and surprise. You should own it.
An A- is a very good record. If one of its sides doesn't provide intense and consistent satisfaction, then both include several cuts that do.
A B+ is a good record, at least one of whose sides can be played with lasting interest and the other of which includes at least one enjoyable cut.
A B is an admirable effort that aficionados of the style or artist will probably find quite listenable.
A B- is a competent or mildly interesting record that will usually feature at least three worthwhile cuts.
A C+ is a not disreputable performance, most likely a failed experiment or a pleasant piece of hackwork.
A C is a record of clear professionalism or barely discernible inspiration, but not both.
A C- is a regrettably successful exploitation or a basically honest but quite incompetent stab at something more.
A D+ is an appalling piece of pimpwork or a thoroughly botched token of sincerity.
It is impossible to understand why anyone would buy a D record.
It is impossible to understand why anyone would release a D- record.
It is impossible to understand why anyone would cut an E+ record.
E records are frequently cited as proof that there is no God.
An E- record is an organically conceived masterpiece that repays repeated listening with a sense of horror in the face of the void. It is unlikely to be marred by one listenable cut. |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
USA
9876 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2008 : 22:48:17
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This is pre-Four Sail, but I have the out of print CD "Love-Studio & Live" (on One Way) coming by post.
Is it a good one...early Love?
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Joe Morris
Old Love
3492 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 04:32:02
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The first Love album I ever heard. Willow Willow & Listen to my song in particular. One of my regrets in life that I went to see Ed Wood rather than see a second show at Tramps in NYC after catching Arthur's first - he played Willow Willow at that..
Oh well. Well, thank God Abalony's not on that. Christ!
Listen To My Song Chords by Love
Intro: D Eb (x2)
D F#m G
Verse 1:
D F#m
I see you, can you hear me
G C Em A
If you can, I want you to listen to my song
C Em A
Yes I want you to listen to the whole words
G D
I'll sing to you
Verse 2:
D F#m
They told me, that you sold me
G C Em A
And you see, it's just a little question in my mind
C Em A
All it was was just a portion of my time
G D F#m G
My time, my time
(Whistle over one verse)
(Repeat verse 1)
Outro: Same as intro |
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lemonade kid
Old Love
USA
9876 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 18:04:19
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quote:
Originally posted by Joe Morris
The first Love album I ever heard. Willow Willow & Listen to my song in particular. One of my regrets in life that I went to see Ed Wood rather than see a second show at Tramps in NYC after catching Arthur's first - he played Willow Willow at that..
Oh well. Well, thank God Abalony's not on that. Christ!
Listen To My Song Chords by Love
Intro: D Eb (x2)
D F#m G
Verse 1:
D F#m
I see you, can you hear me
G C Em A
If you can, I want you to listen to my song
C Em A
Yes I want you to listen to the whole words
G D
I'll sing to you
Verse 2:
D F#m
They told me, that you sold me
G C Em A
And you see, it's just a little question in my mind
C Em A
All it was was just a portion of my time
G D F#m G
My time, my time
(Whistle over one verse)
(Repeat verse 1)
Outro: Same as intro
Thanks, joe. I look forward to it. Hope all's well, joe.
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