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rocker
Old Love
USA
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 Posted - 11/09/2006 : 20:07:34
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| yes sorry I missed it....hmmm..wonder which ones could be psychedelic?..the whole album?.. |
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Bobinbed
Fourth Love
Sweden
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Posted - 11/09/2006 : 20:32:15
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Yeah they didn't mention what tracks they labelled as psychedelic.
- "What do you mean it's a literary high?"
- "It's a Kafka high. It makes you feel like a bug." |
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Cal Jam
Fourth Love
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Posted - 13/09/2006 : 01:07:17
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Originally posted by Bobinbed
I've got a very interesting link here on early psychedelia:
http://www.lysergia.com/LamaWorkshop/lamaEarlyPsychedelia.htm
- "What do you mean it's a literary high?"
- "It's a Kafka high. It makes you feel like a bug."
It's a good overview, but Zappa is not mentioned at all, which was a bad omission, I think! |
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Merlyn Merlot
Fourth Love
USA
190 Posts |
Posted - 13/09/2006 : 03:03:44
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even though I agree that there are Trippy elements on the First 2 Mothers Records
I say Freak music from a genius composer is more appropriate then the word Psychedelic when you describe Zappa
i know outside of Hendrix he thought the Psyche Scene was silly
I also want to say that on December 22 1965 The Byrds recorded their original version of Eight Miles High
That for me is where it all began
Dylan Launched it but the Byrds Flew with it
Tuned In Turned On
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Tuned Turned Turn |
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jimmyboy
Fourth Love
USA
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Posted - 13/09/2006 : 08:24:51
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| I never related Frank Zappas early Mothers lp's as psychedelic because he was pretty much LAUGHING at the whole hippie/psychedelic scene!! |
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astrolobe33
Fifth Love
USA
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Posted - 13/09/2006 : 08:29:41
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| MM, how does the original 8 miles high sound compared with the later version on 5D? I've never heard the single. |
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Cal Jam
Fourth Love
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Posted - 13/09/2006 : 11:53:42
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Originally posted by jimmyboy
I never related Frank Zappas early Mothers lp's as psychedelic because he was pretty much LAUGHING at the whole hippie/psychedelic scene!!
True, and I agree. But his was still a contribution to the genre that should be mentioned in an early overview.
The Kinks may not have been a heavy rock band, but you'd be mad to leave them out of an overview of the origins of heavy rock. :D |
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rocker
Old Love
USA
3606 Posts |
Posted - 13/09/2006 : 15:09:35
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Merlyn..great song 8 Miles High...was that really affected by Coltrane?
Cal Jam...I was surprsied to see the Kinks' "See My Friends" mentioned in the chronology....that is one of my favorite songs ever and I never would have thought it part of psychedelia...Davies noted that it was like a chant.... |
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Merlyn Merlot
Fourth Love
USA
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Posted - 13/09/2006 : 16:24:41
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The Original High was Not nearly as polished but the Riff and intention was there You can hear it on Pre flyte If my long short term memory serves my well.
I believe Mcguinn was influenced not only By Coltrane ( The Big Riff
but also by Don Ellis who was using "Electronic Effects in his Strange Big Band rock Records
and World Pacific Where the Byrds Recorded were also Home to those Early Ravi sitar records
let alone early spoken word recordings by Psyche Pioneers
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rocker
Old Love
USA
3606 Posts |
Posted - 13/09/2006 : 16:58:20
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| interesting.. did Airplane record there too? Jorma said he was affected by the sitar when doing an early album..guess he heard it there... |
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Merlyn Merlot
Fourth Love
USA
190 Posts |
Posted - 14/09/2006 : 02:41:32
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well they all were at the same parties right?
The Aiprlane and the Dead both recorded early Records @ the Rca Victor music Center on Sunset near Vine
All of the monkees Records were recorded there too
It's now a film school
World Pacific was a few miles away on Robertson near 3rd
maybe for info then you were l@@king for but it's all connected
Dig
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astrolobe33
Fifth Love
USA
381 Posts |
Posted - 19/09/2006 : 06:58:21
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Originally posted by Bobinbed
I've got a very interesting link here on early psychedelia:
http://www.lysergia.com/LamaWorkshop/lamaEarlyPsychedelia.htm
A wee footnote. The 45 single Lundborg cites in his chronology, "Moon Dawg b/w LSD-25," by the Gamblers in 1961, may not be precisely "psychedelic music," which stands to reason since it's approx 5 years ahead of it's time, but it does have a raw edge and a certain vibe that leads this listener to wonder if perhaps the band members may have indeed been acquainted with Doctor Hoffman's "problem child." Also worthy of note is the fact that "the Gamblers" featured guitarist Eliot "winged eel fingerling" Ingber, who later appeared with Zappa and the Mothers on Freak Out, and still later with Captain Beefheart. |
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jimmyboy
Fourth Love
USA
234 Posts |
Posted - 19/09/2006 : 07:47:45
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| I agree with you caljam. The Kinks comparison was right on! |
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rocker
Old Love
USA
3606 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2006 : 15:42:33
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| Astrolobe...that "certain vibe" you mention in my opinion kind of says it all I think when it comes to "psychedelia"...lots of bands in those early days played around with all technical kind of stuff...echo, reverb, fuzz tones, feedback etc to get that otherwordly sound (that's one part of psychedelia). now when we look at what Arthur was doing remarkably it seems to me FC for example is nowhere near having all that stuff yet it's supposed to be "psychedelic"...for me it's another way of Arthur's genius comes out when he made that record...if it's psychedelic well he went another way than all those garage guys at the time too when they were making records like LSD-25,Thoughts of a Madman (Nomads), Orange Rooftop of Your Mind (Blue Things) |
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TJSAbass
Fourth Love
USA
139 Posts |
Posted - 21/09/2006 : 23:56:49
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| The original "8 Miles High" was heavier, rawer, and more ominous. It is included on the expanded version of the album CD. Just for the record, here are the starting dates for some relevant Beatles recordings: 2/15/65 - "Ticket To Ride", supposedly soon after their first dosing with LSD; 10/16/65 - "Day Tripper", early mention of tripping; 11/10/65 - "The Word", the philosophy if not the sound; 4/6/66 - "Tomorrow Never Knows", the real deal. Got these out of Ian MacDonald's book Revolution In The Head, an excellent read. Not that I'm trying to say they were first or whatever, just food for thought. |
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Psychedelia.."the Everlasting First"
