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| captain america and billy |
Posted - 19/11/2012 : 16:45:57
I've heard only bits and pieces about the celebrated career of folkie Phil Ochs.Has he written some tunes I might be familiar with/I'm also curious about Laura Nyro.I know she wrote "Liar" for Three Dog Night.What else? |
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| lemonade kid |
Posted - 02/12/2012 : 19:20:00
Like you would know...
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Only after the last tree has been cut down,
Only after the last river has been poisoned,
Only after the last fish has been caught,
Only then will you find money cannot be eaten.
~ Cree Prophecy |
| waxburn |
Posted - 02/12/2012 : 18:38:03
quote:
Originally posted by lemonade kid
quote:
Originally posted by sometimesmylifeissoeerie
Yeah, Judee Sill was a mediocre talent.
That's probably why J.D. Souther and all of the songwriters of that period practically worshipped her. To quote Souther "Judee Sill was like school for all of us back then" "Hotel California", Barney Hoskyns.
The fact that she was married a few times would make her bi-sexual, not just a lesbian. In addition, Geffen was not openly gay at that time (1971-72), and was beyond furious about being outed, but don't let facts get in your way.
Here's an example of her mediocre talent- she composed, orchestrated, played piano, conducted, and sang on this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcAT_AAEHO4
And Geffen was also bi-sexual with some long term hetero relationships. AC-DC.... Not for me, but whatever floats your boat...is cool.
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Only after the last tree has been cut down,
Only after the last river has been poisoned,
Only after the last fish has been caught,
Only then will you find money cannot be eaten.
~ Cree Prophecy
when you have a billion dollars you can be whatever you want to be, but frankly, having a few beards, doesnt make you bi. |
| Joe Morris |
Posted - 01/12/2012 : 21:20:44
Neil Young talks about Geffen in his recent book; seems to be a friend, although Neil was surprised by Geffen's label for suing him for putting out music not representative of Neil Young!
I guess after the Shocking Pinks and Trans this was only to be expected... |
| lemonade kid |
Posted - 30/11/2012 : 15:32:38
quote:
Originally posted by sometimesmylifeissoeerie
Yeah, Judee Sill was a mediocre talent.
That's probably why J.D. Souther and all of the songwriters of that period practically worshipped her. To quote Souther "Judee Sill was like school for all of us back then" "Hotel California", Barney Hoskyns.
The fact that she was married a few times would make her bi-sexual, not just a lesbian. In addition, Geffen was not openly gay at that time (1971-72), and was beyond furious about being outed, but don't let facts get in your way.
Here's an example of her mediocre talent- she composed, orchestrated, played piano, conducted, and sang on this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcAT_AAEHO4
And Geffen was also bi-sexual with some long term hetero relationships. AC-DC.... Not for me, but whatever floats your boat...is cool.
________________________________________________
Only after the last tree has been cut down,
Only after the last river has been poisoned,
Only after the last fish has been caught,
Only then will you find money cannot be eaten.
~ Cree Prophecy |
| Joe Morris |
Posted - 30/11/2012 : 04:19:08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5rs2WBEO7Y |
| Joe Morris |
Posted - 30/11/2012 : 04:14:54
I like that song of Judy's (Till Dreams Come True) where she breaks a glass at the beginning! |
| sometimesmylifeissoeerie |
Posted - 30/11/2012 : 02:20:27
Yeah, Judee Sill was a mediocre talent.
That's probably why J.D. Souther and all of the songwriters of that period practically worshipped her. To quote Souther "Judee Sill was like school for all of us back then" "Hotel California", Barney Hoskyns.
The fact that she was married a few times would make her bi-sexual, not just a lesbian. In addition, Geffen was not openly gay at that time (1971-72), and was beyond furious about being outed, but don't let facts get in your way.
Here's an example of her mediocre talent- she composed, orchestrated, played piano, conducted, and sang on this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcAT_AAEHO4 |
| Joe Morris |
Posted - 30/11/2012 : 01:14:07
Can you please crawl out your window Phil! |
| lemonade kid |
Posted - 29/11/2012 : 22:21:50
Only his first album is a Dylan sounding collection--not my favorite. The rest of Blue's catalog is filled with Blue's own unique folk sound and quite remarkable....try "Stories" Waxburn...you may change your mind I hope.
Blue may have been a very good friend of Dylan's, but he was not a copy...Dylan respected him and included Blue in one of his tours. If Bobby didn't like someone, he told them, & he didn't include them as a feature act in a tour.
"Looking For A Friend"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgJHnZ8hwd8
Another One Like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz46zmWqddY
House of Changing Faces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O48Dgq9TeoM
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Only after the last tree has been cut down,
Only after the last river has been poisoned,
Only after the last fish has been caught,
Only then will you find money cannot be eaten.
~ Cree Prophecy |
| waxburn |
Posted - 29/11/2012 : 20:49:16
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Originally posted by lemonade kid
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Originally posted by waxburn
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Originally posted by sometimesmylifeissoeerie
They just had an "American Masters" show on David Geffen. This is how sad PBS has become; instead of doing a show on an actual creator of music like Laura Nyro, they do a show glorifying this scuzzbag bloodsucker, who screwed so many people on his way to the top, you probably can't count them. And what can he do? Nothing. Incredible.
To Geffen's disgust, Bob Harris of the Old, Grey Whistle Test mentioned Judee Sill as one of his greatest artists on Asylum in an interview with Geffen briefly shown on the special.
Geffen must have gagged on his gefilte fish. She was the first artist he signed for Asylum, and he cut all promotion for her LPs after Joni Mitchell told him she didn't want another female artist on Asylum (see the book "Hotel California" for more info on that).
Then, when Judee outed him for doing that, he dropped her from the label, and had her blacklisted from the music industry, throwing her into a depression which ended with her OD at the age of 35.
Geffen's only mention of her in his huge biography written years later was as a "prostitute/junkie". David Geffen, American Master(bator).
im pretty certain that Judee Sill first album was the first ever release on Asylum, David Blue being second, if my memory serves me correctly. Judee Sill was a lesbian( and so was Nyro), by the way, and i doubt she outed Geffen, it was no secret in the music industry.
both Blue and Sill were mediocre talents. Jackson Browne was the first real artist they had, and he got signed because Geffen was in love with him. browne was a major talent that is sort of forgotten nowadays.
Correct, WB. Judee was Geffen's first release on Asylum. Her bi-sexualness was not an issue, and it was well known about Geffen's preferences...but he didn't like how Judee put it to the public, on air. She felt betrayed as far as being promoted properly and so vented it in a nasty way; unfortunately for Judee, Geffen had the influence to use it against her with his power in the industry.
I must agree to disagree though- both Sill & Blue were unique artists and extremely talented, AND quite influential then & now!
Such artists can be hard to market though, as they don't fit everyone's tastes-my kind of music.
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Only after the last tree has been cut down,
Only after the last river has been poisoned,
Only after the last fish has been caught,
Only then will you find money cannot be eaten.
~ Cree Prophecy
Judee Sill had talent, but S David Cohen aka David Blue had very little, his albums are barely listenable dylan imitations. the man just had no music in him. the only reason geffen put out david blue and that awful bobby neuwrith album(which i believe was on asylum as well) was that he wanted to sign dylan.  |
| lemonade kid |
Posted - 29/11/2012 : 14:24:29
quote:
Originally posted by waxburn
quote:
Originally posted by sometimesmylifeissoeerie
They just had an "American Masters" show on David Geffen. This is how sad PBS has become; instead of doing a show on an actual creator of music like Laura Nyro, they do a show glorifying this scuzzbag bloodsucker, who screwed so many people on his way to the top, you probably can't count them. And what can he do? Nothing. Incredible.
To Geffen's disgust, Bob Harris of the Old, Grey Whistle Test mentioned Judee Sill as one of his greatest artists on Asylum in an interview with Geffen briefly shown on the special.
Geffen must have gagged on his gefilte fish. She was the first artist he signed for Asylum, and he cut all promotion for her LPs after Joni Mitchell told him she didn't want another female artist on Asylum (see the book "Hotel California" for more info on that).
Then, when Judee outed him for doing that, he dropped her from the label, and had her blacklisted from the music industry, throwing her into a depression which ended with her OD at the age of 35.
Geffen's only mention of her in his huge biography written years later was as a "prostitute/junkie". David Geffen, American Master(bator).
im pretty certain that Judee Sill first album was the first ever release on Asylum, David Blue being second, if my memory serves me correctly. Judee Sill was a lesbian( and so was Nyro), by the way, and i doubt she outed Geffen, it was no secret in the music industry.
both Blue and Sill were mediocre talents. Jackson Browne was the first real artist they had, and he got signed because Geffen was in love with him. browne was a major talent that is sort of forgotten nowadays.
Correct, WB. Judee was Geffen's first release on Asylum. Her bi-sexualness was not an issue, and it was well known about Geffen's preferences...but he didn't like how Judee put it to the public, on air. She felt betrayed as far as being promoted properly and so vented it in a nasty way; unfortunately for Judee, Geffen had the influence to use it against her with his power in the industry.
I must agree to disagree though- both Sill & Blue were unique artists and extremely talented, AND quite influential then & now!
Such artists can be hard to market though, as they don't fit everyone's tastes-my kind of music.
________________________________________________
Only after the last tree has been cut down,
Only after the last river has been poisoned,
Only after the last fish has been caught,
Only then will you find money cannot be eaten.
~ Cree Prophecy |
| waxburn |
Posted - 29/11/2012 : 06:49:05
quote:
Originally posted by sometimesmylifeissoeerie
They just had an "American Masters" show on David Geffen. This is how sad PBS has become; instead of doing a show on an actual creator of music like Laura Nyro, they do a show glorifying this scuzzbag bloodsucker, who screwed so many people on his way to the top, you probably can't count them. And what can he do? Nothing. Incredible.
To Geffen's disgust, Bob Harris of the Old, Grey Whistle Test mentioned Judee Sill as one of his greatest artists on Asylum in an interview with Geffen briefly shown on the special.
Geffen must have gagged on his gefilte fish. She was the first artist he signed for Asylum, and he cut all promotion for her LPs after Joni Mitchell told him she didn't want another female artist on Asylum (see the book "Hotel California" for more info on that).
Then, when Judee outed him for doing that, he dropped her from the label, and had her blacklisted from the music industry, throwing her into a depression which ended with her OD at the age of 35.
Geffen's only mention of her in his huge biography written years later was as a "prostitute/junkie". David Geffen, American Master(bator).
im pretty certain that Judee Sill first album was the first ever release on Asylum, David Blue being second, if my memory serves me correctly. Judee Sill was a lesbian( and so was Nyro), by the way, and i doubt she outed Geffen, it was no secret in the music industry.
both Blue and Sill were mediocre talents. Jackson Browne was the first real artist they had, and he got signed because Geffen was in love with him. browne was a major talent that is sort of forgotten nowadays. |
| lemonade kid |
Posted - 26/11/2012 : 16:10:15
quote:
Originally posted by sometimesmylifeissoeerie
They just had an "American Masters" show on David Geffen. This is how sad PBS has become; instead of doing a show on an actual creator of music like Laura Nyro, they do a show glorifying this scuzzbag bloodsucker, who screwed so many people on his way to the top, you probably can't count them. And what can he do? Nothing. Incredible.
To Geffen's disgust, Bob Harris of the Old, Grey Whistle Test mentioned Judee Sill as one of his greatest artists on Asylum in an interview with Geffen briefly shown on the special.
Geffen must have gagged on his gefilte fish. She was the first artist he signed for Asylum, and he cut all promotion for her LPs after Joni Mitchell told him she didn't want another female artist on Asylum (see the book "Hotel California" for more info on that).
Then, when Judee outed him for doing that, he dropped her from the label, and had her blacklisted from the music industry, throwing her into a depression which ended with her OD at the age of 35.
Geffen's only mention of her in his huge biography written years later was as a "prostitute/junkie". David Geffen, American Master(bator).
Judee didn't help matters with her usual honestly...calling Geffin a "fat f#gg@t"; Judee was one of-a-kind and a genius talent.
Her troubles ran far deeper than Geffen...she wouldn't share the stage with all that sellout rock "sh#t", and she led a terribly hard life. A series of auto accidents that left her with debilitating back pain and a rap sheet that caused unfeeling doctors to deny meds for her pain, which in turn caused a backslide into her addiction & illegal pain meds, resulting in an overdose.
Judee on BBC's Old Grey Whistle Test...and as usual, the UK loved & supported our many forgotten or sadly undiscovered talents.
a brilliant live "The Kiss"...with a fine background introduction-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0feFedDW_iQ
I cherish my Judee Sill vinyl!
Judee was the first artist to record for Geffen.
________________________________________________
Only after the last tree has been cut down,
Only after the last river has been poisoned,
Only after the last fish has been caught,
Only then will you find money cannot be eaten.
~ Cree Prophecy |
| sometimesmylifeissoeerie |
Posted - 26/11/2012 : 07:52:51
They just had an "American Masters" show on David Geffen. This is how sad PBS has become; instead of doing a show on an actual creator of music like Laura Nyro, they do a show glorifying this scuzzbag bloodsucker, who screwed so many people on his way to the top, you probably can't count them. And what can he do? Nothing. Incredible.
To Geffen's disgust, Bob Harris of the Old, Grey Whistle Test mentioned Judee Sill as one of his greatest artists on Asylum in an interview with Geffen briefly shown on the special.
Geffen must have gagged on his gefilte fish. She was the first artist he signed for Asylum, and he cut all promotion for her LPs after Joni Mitchell told him she didn't want another female artist on Asylum (see the book "Hotel California" for more info on that).
Then, when Judee outed him for doing that, he dropped her from the label, and had her blacklisted from the music industry, throwing her into a depression which ended with her OD at the age of 35.
Geffen's only mention of her in his huge biography written years later was as a "prostitute/junkie". David Geffen, American Master(bator). |
| waxburn |
Posted - 24/11/2012 : 03:02:41
withour Laura Nyro there would have no David Geffen and his 10 billion dollars. he took half of tuna fish music and then sold it to columbia, and he was off to the races. Lucky for him that Nyro wasnt Dylan and he wasnt Al Grossman. Hed be broke instead of being a billionaire.
the best Phil record is Tape from California. |
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