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Eoin
First Love

Ireland
19 Posts

Posted - 13/05/2005 :  16:05:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi, I'm new to the site so maybe this has been disussed before.

I recently read this old interview with Arthur where he hints at the existence of the rumoured follow up to Forever Changes, Gethsemane.

http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=302820&host=5&dir=229

Does anyone have any info on this? Are there any demos/recordings out there?

Allan
Old Love

USA
560 Posts

Posted - 14/05/2005 :  15:58:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Eoin...Gethsemane has been a rumor for a long time. The band did a couple more songs after FC that were not included on the FC LP (Your mind-and we belong togther) and another one (can't remember right now) so I think the rumor came about because of this.

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caryne
Old Love

United Kingdom
1520 Posts

Posted - 14/05/2005 :  16:05:33  Show Profile  Visit caryne's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well, I did hear a certain guitarist, say quite recently that 'Gethsemene' was his album (with a few other 'Love' members on it, not AL) but that it didn't ever come to fruition.

Edited by - caryne on 17/05/2005 08:54:52
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John
First Love

United Kingdom
2 Posts

Posted - 16/05/2005 :  22:20:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by caryne

Well, I did hear a certain guitarist, say quite recently that 'Gethsemene' was his album (with a few other 'Love' members on it, not AL) but that it didn't ever come to fruititon.

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John
First Love

United Kingdom
2 Posts

Posted - 16/05/2005 :  22:30:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by caryne

Well, I did hear a certain guitarist, say quite recently that 'Gethsemene' was his album (with a few other 'Love' members on it, not AL) but that it didn't ever come to fruititon.


Caryne, I take it that you mean Johnny? "Gethsemane" has been something of an obsession of mine since about 1968 (Bryan's solo album was too from its mention in Zigzag in 1971 - so I settled for that one being achieved with the release of "Ifyoubelievein"). I was hoping someone would interview Johnny and maybe get some sensible answers to the important questions which Arthur won't entertain. Can you elaborate, please?
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myoungish
Fifth Love

USA
264 Posts

Posted - 27/06/2005 :  21:24:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
John, the mystery and enigma that is Gethsemane has been a bit of an obsession for me, too. According to the Castle and Barney Hoskyns book, there were 8 songs by Arthur ready for the album (not including the MacLean songs that appeared on ifyoubelievein). These tracks are:
The Time Has Come For Some Counting To Be Done, Sixth Cents, Freeway Flyers, Peaceful Times Again, Uptown N' Down, and the jointly -credited Sanctuary (Lee/Echols), and The Outlaw in Me (Lee/Maclean)...I agree that Johnny Echols should be asked point-blank about these tracks, to see if they were ever actually recorded. Wouldn't that be incredible if they were dug out of some vault fully-formed, completely mixed and magical, sounding like a proper FC sequel? I guess we can all dream, anyway....

Michael Young
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Lizzyb
Fifth Love

United Kingdom
470 Posts

Posted - 27/06/2005 :  21:34:49  Show Profile  Visit Lizzyb's Homepage  Reply with Quote
there's a recent posting on this board from one johnnylovejoy which i believe clarifies some of this

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Lizzyb
Fifth Love

United Kingdom
470 Posts

Posted - 27/06/2005 :  21:37:10  Show Profile  Visit Lizzyb's Homepage  Reply with Quote
This one, I think/hope

http://love.torbenskott.dk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=512

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Lizzyb
Fifth Love

United Kingdom
470 Posts

Posted - 27/06/2005 :  21:42:53  Show Profile  Visit Lizzyb's Homepage  Reply with Quote
and if you look at the diaries there's a recent one that mentions gethsemane too

I really hope it sees the light of day soon
or whatever the aural equivalent is
hears the roostercall of day?

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myoungish
Fifth Love

USA
264 Posts

Posted - 27/06/2005 :  22:00:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanx Lizzy! (The Brian Wilson Smile-esque element is pretty titilating, eh?)

Michael Young
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Eoin
First Love

Ireland
19 Posts

Posted - 28/06/2005 :  10:59:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, it would be pretty amazing. Although in Johnny's post he claims Gethsemane is HIS "magnum opus" which would suggest little involvement from Arthur. This is also quite strange if we are to conclude that Gethsemane was in fact dominated by compositions by Johnny Echols - the follow up to FC without (much) contribution from the two FC contributors. All very mysterious. Let's hope we get more info out of him!
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Saucy Jack
Second Love

26 Posts

Posted - 28/06/2005 :  11:21:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think Johnny mentioned that Gethsemane was a solo project for him. It was never going to be a Love record, hence no involvement from Arthur or Bryan.
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myoungish
Fifth Love

USA
264 Posts

Posted - 28/06/2005 :  20:58:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hmm, if it's a solo project for Echols, I wonder what happened to the eight above-mentioned Arthur songs? Are they myth? Did they never even reach demo stage? We're talking absolute prime period here, when they were doing Your Mind and We and The Castle....

Michael Young
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