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stewart
Old Love

United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/05/2020 :  17:40:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Forever Changes Master Tapes Arrive At ERC For Work To Begin On Its Reissue!

UK’s The Electric Recording Company (ERC), a purist-audio label which up till now has released highly select classical and jazz recordings from the golden era of recorded sound (1950s to 1970s), has been given the go-ahead from Warner Music to release Love’s Forever Changes!

Haven’t heard of ERC? Well, not many music lovers have. Founded by Pete Hutchison who also founded indie label Peacefrog Records (yes, it was named after the Doors’ song), ERC specialises in releasing strictly limited individually numbered editions (between 99 and 300) of highly prized recordings such as Johanna Martzy’s Unaccompanied Violin Sonatas (Bach) and Sonny Rollins’ Way Out West (in true mono). These vinyl-only pressings have been lovingly and uncompromisingly cut from the original master tapes using genuine valve reel-to-reel and cutting lathes from the period, and housed in faithfully recreated sleeve artwork crafted by hand using vintage letterpress machinery.

I asked Pete why he chose Forever Changes as ERC’s first foray into rock music, to which he said it was one of his all-time favourite albums and it was one that was allowed from the list of requested titles given to Warner Music. He elaborated, “We had to go through a very rigorous interview process by the Warner studio team before being allowed to handle these tapes. This included conference calls and a studio visit for the team who flew to London from the US. We had to explain our process and demonstrate spooling, etc. Our engineers have 40 years’ experience between them, so things went okay. These tapes are the holy grail and are priceless. Storage and security were also a major consideration.”

We discussed what he felt were the characteristics that he wanted to bring out from the recording to which he said, “My feeling is that the original tape has positive attributes that are lost in the heavily equalised versions, including the original pressing. That is not to say that those cuts are not good – many are – but I wanted to hear something new in our end-product. My reference was the original pressing which I love but thought it would be good to go a different way, that is, to hear the tape naked without equalisation, and cut down a little on the levels.”

Forever Changes will be reissued by ERC in about three months’ time, in both stereo and mono versions. The quantity is unconfirmed for now, as is pricing, but a look at the going rate of currently available titles (https://electricrecordingco.com/shop) of between 300 to 500 pounds would discourage many a fan. However, if you delve into the label’s sound (pun intended) philosophy and Pete’s perfectionism in pursuing audio nirvana, wouldn’t you want to own the ultimate sounding version of your favourite album of all time?

lemonade kid
Old Love

USA
9697 Posts

Posted - 06/05/2020 :  15:30:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That sounds great, but do they really mean "original master tapes"? I thought they were lost forever, hence all the remastered releases right up to the most recent...the 50th Anniversary box. So the press releases made it clear: we will never be able to hear the unadulterated, unequalized original tapes, and hence the remixed masters are it, with the distortion of the original vinyl and subsequent reissues.

£300 ?! Still way too much for me...and they must be extremely limited releases. Most are sold out on their purchase page.
The 50th Anniversary release is the best sounding so far and that'll have to do for now.

But thanks for the info, Stew!



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Edited by - lemonade kid on 06/05/2020 15:33:45
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The sweet disorder
Fourth Love

United Kingdom
214 Posts

Posted - 16/05/2020 :  21:55:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Stewart/LK

I've been asking around friends and some well respected music heads on Twitter etc and have not yet found anybody who's heard a remastered album by this company as of yet so I can't get any gauge the audio experience. It will be certainly interesting to see what the pricing maybe given the 2015 remaster and that I don't see how they have the original master tapes.

However, there is a couple of YouTube videos from the company. I found them pretty mesmeric to be honest so its certainly perked my interest...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAj22g8MWkw

SD
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lemonade kid
Old Love

USA
9697 Posts

Posted - 17/05/2020 :  16:06:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The sweet disorder

Hey Stewart/LK

I've been asking around friends and some well respected music heads on Twitter etc and have not yet found anybody who's heard a remastered album by this company as of yet so I can't get any gauge the audio experience. It will be certainly interesting to see what the pricing maybe given the 2015 remaster and that I don't see how they have the original master tapes.

However, there is a couple of YouTube videos from the company. I found them pretty mesmeric to be honest so its certainly perked my interest...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAj22g8MWkw

SD


Yes, SD, I wonder if they are fudging a bit...

...many fans are often confused by the difference between a remix and a remaster (even I referenced them as "remixed masters"....wrong, LK. Remastered is the best we'll ever get. Botnick' most recent remastering on the 50th is stunning though) . I would surmise they are counting in the confusion between remix & remaster-- there is no way they got hold of the long lost masters. If they had them, why wouldn't the Elektra 50th also be a completely new remix from the original master tapes, if they existed?

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I can't contrive a song. – GENE CLARK

Edited by - lemonade kid on 17/05/2020 16:08:05
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smarttim
First Love

13 Posts

Posted - 12/06/2020 :  17:38:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lemonade kid

quote:
Originally posted by The sweet disorder

Hey Stewart/LK

I've been asking around friends and some well respected music heads on Twitter etc and have not yet found anybody who's heard a remastered album by this company as of yet so I can't get any gauge the audio experience. It will be certainly interesting to see what the pricing maybe given the 2015 remaster and that I don't see how they have the original master tapes.

However, there is a couple of YouTube videos from the company. I found them pretty mesmeric to be honest so its certainly perked my interest...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAj22g8MWkw

SD


Yes, SD, I wonder if they are fudging a bit...

...many fans are often confused by the difference between a remix and a remaster (even I referenced them as "remixed masters"....wrong, LK. Remastered is the best we'll ever get. Botnick' most recent remastering on the 50th is stunning though) . I would surmise they are counting in the confusion between remix & remaster-- there is no way they got hold of the long lost masters. If they had them, why wouldn't the Elektra 50th also be a completely new remix from the original master tapes, if they existed?

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The actual writing of a song usually comes in the form of a realisation.
I can't contrive a song. – GENE CLARK


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smarttim
First Love

13 Posts

Posted - 12/06/2020 :  17:44:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is on preorder............

https://www.theelectricrecordingco.com/news
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lemonade kid
Old Love

USA
9697 Posts

Posted - 12/06/2020 :  22:25:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So it has to be a remaster from the master tapes (not a remix as they purport); as the master tapes are what they say they have...not the long lost multi-tracks. Can't do a true remix from a master tape...need the multi-tracks which have been lost for decades.

I love the latest remaster by Botnick (FC 50th). The drums and basslines are really upfront and perfect now. More like the sound Michael asked Arthur if could be achieved during the sessions. Great job on the FC 50th remaster, Bruce!

So I am not sure yet another remaster is in store for me...especially at over $400 with shipping.

I hope it IS great though, smarttim. Please let us know how you like it. I assume it is all about the audio and nothing new by way of packaging.

I'm not sure I could hear a huge improvement over the FC 5Oth (which I love!) with my modest system...





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Edited by - lemonade kid on 12/06/2020 22:29:03
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smarttim
First Love

13 Posts

Posted - 14/06/2020 :  17:10:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sold out!!!!!
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John9
Old Love

United Kingdom
2142 Posts

Posted - 18/06/2020 :  01:21:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

I think that I will stick with the 50th Anniversary box set - which sits proudly next to a beautiful vinyl reissue of Love Revisited. I don't think that my 68 year old ears could ever pick up anything superior to that. Still it's interesting to hear that Forever Changes is still arousing such attention from the audio specialists.....as well it should of course.

And finally......a 50th Anniversary revamp for False Start in 2020 anyone......perhaps with the Olympic recordings with Hendrix? We can only dream.
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lemonade kid
Old Love

USA
9697 Posts

Posted - 19/06/2020 :  02:50:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by smarttim

Sold out!!!!!

Wow...there are enough folks out there with a lot of disposable incomeI guess...
this is from a conversation I had with Michael Stuart:

(Michael gave me a cool answer...honest as always...so I quoted $420 (USD) which I believe includes shipping and handling.)



Yes, well $420 is quite of bit of bread for some people, but there are so many millionaires now that I suppose it might sell enough copies to make it worthwhile. Or not.

I mean there's only so much they can do to fix it. Wasn't it just 8 tracks? I know one of the few times I listened to it, it sounded pretty much like Kenny and I were on the same track. That alone screws it up right there. But if somebody has an extra $420. lying around and enjoys listening to Forever Changes, they can go for it. Who knows?

Take care, Michael




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lemonade kid
Old Love

USA
9697 Posts

Posted - 10/07/2020 :  03:35:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Let us know how it sounds!
quote:
Originally posted by smarttim

It is on preorder............

https://www.theelectricrecordingco.com/news



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Joe Morris
Old Love

3448 Posts

Posted - 18/07/2020 :  18:01:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
read about this in the NY Times a few months ago. Echols dissed it when I mentioned it to him

there was a picture of one of the Elektra tape cases in the NYT artcile

anyone heard it? seems pricey!
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