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lemonade kid Posted - 07/02/2018 : 04:01:09
Love's 'Forever Changes' Super Deluxe Box Due This Spring


Multi-disc set features unreleased tracks, marks album's 50th anniversary

Rolling Stone
By Kory Grow

A new, 50th anniversary box-set edition of Love's landmark Forever Changes album will feature unreleased tracks, alternate mixes and a hardcover book. The set, due April 6th, will create a comprehensive portrait of the album through four CDs, a DVD and an LP, paired with liner notes by music historian Ted Olsen that break down each track on the album.

Love's 'Forever Changes' Super Deluxe Box Due This Spring

Forever Changes Box Set Track List
Disc One: Original Album
1. "Alone Again Or"
2. "A House Is Not a Motel"
3. "Andmoreagain"
4. "The Daily Planet"
5. "Old Man"
6. "The Red Telephone"
7. "Maybe t People Would Be the Times or Between Clark and Hilldale"
8. "Live and Let Live"
9. "The Good Humor Man He Sees Everything Like This"
10. "Bummer in the Summer"
11. "You Set the Scene"

Disc Two: Mono Mix

Disc Three: Alternate Mix
1. "Alone Again Or"
2. "A House Is Not a Motel"
3. "Andmoreagain"
4. "The Daily Planet"
5. "Old Man"
6. "The Red Telephone"
7. "Maybe the People Would Be the Times or Between Clark and Hilldale"
8. "Live And Let Live"
9. "The Good Humor Man He Sees Everything Like This"
10. "Bummer in the Summer"
11. "You Set the Scene"
12. "Wonder People (I Do Wonder)" (Outtake, Alternate Mix)

Disc Four: Singles and Outtakes
1. "Wonder People (I Do Wonder)"
2. "Alone Again Or" (Single Version)
3. "A House Is Not a Motel" (Single Version)
4. "Hummingbirds" (Demo)
5. "A House Is Not a Motel" (Backing Track)
6. "Andmoreagain" (Alternate Electric Backing Track)
7. "The Red Telephone" (Tracking Sessions Highlights)
8. "Wooly Bully" (Outtake)
9. "Live and Let Live" (Backing Track) *
10. "Wonder People (I Do Wonder)" (Outtake, Backing Track) *
11. "Your Mind and We Belong Together" (Tracking Sessions Highlights)
12. "Your Mind and We Belong Together"
13. "Laughing Stock"
14. "Alone Again Or" (Mono Single Remix)

DVD: 24/96 Stereo Mix
1. "Alone Again Or"
2. "A House Is Not a Motel"
3. "Andmoreagain"
4. "The Daily Planet"
5. "Old Man"
6. "The Red Telephone"
7. "Maybe the People Would Be the Times or Between Clark and Hilldale"
8. "Live and Let Live"
9. "The Good Humor Man He Sees Everything Like This"
10. "Bummer in the Summer"
11. "You Set the Scene"
12. "Your Mind and We Belong Together" (Video)

LP: Original Album
Side One
1. "Alone Again Or"
2. "A House Is Not a Motel"
3. "Andmoreagain"
4. "The Daily Planet"
5. "Old Man"
6. "The Red Telephone"

Side Two
1. "Maybe the People Would Be the Times or Between Clark and Hilldale"
2. "Live And Let Live"
3. "The Good Humor Man He Sees Everything Like This"
4. "Bummer in the Summer"
5. "You Set the Scene"

* Previously Unreleased

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The actual writing of a song usually comes in the form of a realisation.
I can't contrive a song. GENE CLARK
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lemonade kid Posted - 28/06/2018 : 14:07:45
quote:
Originally posted by Joe Morris

I like it too. It really sounds great, although I haven't measured against the early 2CD reissue

Up there with the New Potato!

The acoustic guitar on Old Man sounds mighty fine as well on the remaster by Botick, although it seems that Live and Let Live (backing track)
and the backing track for Wonder People is the new only new material ?

Yep.

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The actual writing of a song usually comes in the form of a realisation.
I can't contrive a song. GENE CLARK
Joe Morris Posted - 25/06/2018 : 22:21:04
I like it too. It really sounds great, although I haven't measured against the early 2CD reissue

Up there with the New Potato!

The acoustic guitar on Old Man sounds mighty fine as well on the remaster by Botick, although it seems that Live and Let Live (backing track)
and the backing track for Wonder People is the new only new material ?
lemonade kid Posted - 24/06/2018 : 13:20:17
quote:
Originally posted by tedhead

I just thought I would post here the same news I shared on the Hoffman board: I won a copy of the box set from Redbeard's contest, and am really looking forward to enjoying it! If I lived in California, I'd ask Johnny Echols and Michael Stuart if they would autograph it for me. Maybe someday...

Michael is in Vegas now. We talk often. He has signed many items for me ...I especially love a pair of signed drumsticks he gave me (that he used at the Love Revisited reunion at the Ugly Things Anniversary gig).


If I wasn't so in Love with the 50th box I have, in perfect condition (I've seen one still in the shrink with bent dogeared corners at Bull Moose that likely arrived that way), I'd send it off for Michael to sign for me. Don't trust the UPS or etc to be careful enough. Thanks for getting that obsession in my head, tedhead!



You will love it. The vinyl is the best yet, as is the DVD HQ quality disc! The hardbound folio style packaging is very cool. I love it so much. Well worth the $89!!

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The actual writing of a song usually comes in the form of a realisation.
I can't contrive a song. GENE CLARK
tedhead Posted - 21/06/2018 : 07:47:22
I just thought I would post here the same news I shared on the Hoffman board: I won a copy of the box set from Redbeard's contest, and am really looking forward to enjoying it! If I lived in California, I'd ask Johnny Echols and Michael Stuart if they would autograph it for me. Maybe someday...
Joe Morris Posted - 24/05/2018 : 21:56:59
how can Elektra lose the master tapes for the record?!

gotta say, I LOVE the Hoffman mix of the album (who is Steve Hoffman and how does he get the best jobs?

that longer Red Telephone on it (you can see why they faded it out, before the whistling!

such a superb album, how could Lee continue with other members and be calling it Love after that?!

has Echols talked up Gethesemene any time recently? last I heard he had David Angel involved, not to mention members of Baby Lemonade (who he still has a play with

lemonade kid Posted - 15/05/2018 : 22:51:57
Johnny has posted (on Facebook I believe) that he loves the new Forever Changes remastered album and the rest. And that Arthur, Kenny, and Michael would be very happy, too.

Turns out Michael was unaware of the Rhino/Elektra reissue until a friend and fellow musician told him about it.

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The actual writing of a song usually comes in the form of a realisation.
I can't contrive a song. GENE CLARK
lemonade kid Posted - 18/04/2018 : 13:32:01
quote:
Originally posted by Joe Morris

why a double set?

cant believe Elektra lost the master tapes for the 3rd album. You'd think theyd hold onto those when changing house!

The Castle publication - gotta love it - check it out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F5jZepjp2o

Love at the castle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK6iyi_on9s

Because you can't get the full LP on one disc at 45 RPM....

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The actual writing of a song usually comes in the form of a realisation.
I can't contrive a song. GENE CLARK
Joe Morris Posted - 17/04/2018 : 19:48:17
why a double set?

cant believe Elektra lost the master tapes for the 3rd album. You'd think theyd hold onto those when changing house!

The Castle publication - gotta love it - check it out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F5jZepjp2o

Love at the castle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK6iyi_on9s
torben Posted - 15/04/2018 : 18:15:51
MFSL is out on vinyl as a 2lp set running at 45 rpm.
https://www.analogplanet.com/content/mobile-fidelity-reissues-loves-forever-changes-45rpm
Joe Morris Posted - 13/04/2018 : 20:04:33
is the MFSL on vinyl?

the list forgets the first issue of the album on cd from the late 80s (hey! my library still has it!
Joe Morris Posted - 13/04/2018 : 19:03:48
thanks for posting this

can't believe the album has been released so much! I was upset it was split for the Love Story 2CD, although it split as did the vinyl of course (after Red Telephone
lemonade kid Posted - 13/04/2018 : 15:30:11
CD Shootout of Loves Forever Changes--a very in depth analysis
& praise for Botnicks' remastering

https://www.facebook.com/notes/forever-changes/cd-shootout-of-loves-forever-changes/587301581654171




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The actual writing of a song usually comes in the form of a realisation.
I can't contrive a song. GENE CLARK
lemonade kid Posted - 12/04/2018 : 21:01:39
quote:
Originally posted by Joe Morris

whats a fold down mix, if I have the slang for it right?



From Steve Hoffman's forum:

...Very, very few things in the 60s were "recorded in mono". Hardly anything.

They were recorded as either 2-track, 4-track or 8-track. Then if the intent was to release them as mono they were MIXED down to a mono signal.

Yes, lots of material was released in the 60s as mono. Most up to about '68 was mixed as what is known as a 'dedicated' mix... ie specific moves with the multi-track to a stereo soundpicture or a monaural balance. The easiest way to find out if mixes are mono is to learn about the different catalogue codings from the record companies. Kama Sutra would have for instance KLP for mono and KLSP for stereo and so on.

But remember, it's not how the things were recorded it's how they were mixed. The classic example is the first Beatles UK album. Recorded on 2-track. As it was, with some eq and editing it was a stereo mix. But it was also mixed down to a mono signal as well for the mono issue of the album.

..............

Dedicated mono or fold down?

The surest way of course is to listen and compare a stereo pressing and a mono pressing. But that can be hard with rare records. Some recordings were released as a stereo fold-down well, Everly Brothers RCA Recording Studio material folds down nicely, the intent was there during the recording and engineering to allow the stereo record to be played on a mono player and not to sound like crap. But some do not fold-down well. Simon and Garfunkels 'Parsley Sage...' sounds bad if you fold it down. Weird phasing and swooshing sounds on some tracks.

--Comments courtesy Steve Hoffman forum

...if you have a stereo copy of the song to compare to the mono mix, you can listen for differences between the two mixes to see if the mono mix is a dedicated mono mix or a fold-down. Some extreme cases of dedicated mono mixes have extra instruments or vocals that aren't present in the stereo mix, or, conversely, instruments or vocals that are missing from the stereo mix.

Other dedicated mono mixes might just feature all the same instruments, but with different emphasis on the balance of those instruments. A lot of 60s mono mixes really seem to emphasize the bass compared to their stereo counterparts, although I think this may have something to do with the physical properties of mono versus stereo record grooves and stylus movement as well.

Another clue as to whether a mono mix is dedicated instead of a fold-down is its length - is the mono mix longer or shorter than the stereo mix? Can you hear "extra" music at the beginning of the song or during the fade-out?

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The actual writing of a song usually comes in the form of a realisation.
I can't contrive a song. GENE CLARK
Joe Morris Posted - 11/04/2018 : 17:42:47
whats a fold down mix, if I have the slang for it right?
Phil Hobbs Posted - 11/04/2018 : 10:52:00
UK fans may be interested to know that I ordered a copy yesterday from speedyhen.com for 32.49 with free postage. That's a great price and around 10 less than any other price I could find. I have no idea who Speedyhen are really but it's apparently being despatched today so all seems genuine. Looking forward to receiving it and giving it a listen. I already have 6 or 7 copies on vinyl/CD but had to get this one too!

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